Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

**JR89** · 22/02/2024, 3:56 PM

Still think they should just turn the FAI into a reality TV show at this stage. Would be prime time TV and they could make a fortune on sponsorship and charging people to text in vote on decisions.

**Eirambler** · 22/02/2024, 4:17 PM

It takes a long time to do all that redacting in fairness. Hopefully now it's done they can maybe focus on the whole manager thing a bit more. Maybe save a few quid on printer cartridges as well.

**Eirambler** · 22/02/2024, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by weldoninhio

Some posters expect us to do a Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers, and hope that it works out for us unlike how it turned out for them.

These, of course, all being privately owned football clubs as opposed to national football associations.

**pineapple stu** · 22/02/2024, 6:19 PM

Not sure what the relevance of that is?

**weldoninhio** · 23/02/2024, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by Eirambler

These, of course, all being privately owned football clubs as opposed to national football associations.

You don't think the FAI can go bankrupt??

**John83** · 24/02/2024, 5:24 AM

If they did and the government didn't bail them out after another clown show at the PAC, would we get a whole new FA? I assume there's more downside here than is obvious to me.

**Diggs246** · 24/02/2024, 8:11 AM

Originally Posted by John83

If they did and the government didn't bail them out after another clown show at the PAC, would we get a whole new FA? I assume there's more downside here than is obvious to me.

I wonder do FIFA and or UEFA have punitive measures in place if an organization goes bankrupt ie kicked out of the world cup or Euros

**Eirambler** · 24/02/2024, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by Diggs246

I wonder do FIFA and or UEFA have punitive measures in place if an organization goes bankrupt ie kicked out of the world cup or Euros

They don't and it would never happen. That's not to say that we should start throwing around millions that we don't have, but we can certainly stretch to a few hundred thousand more for a senior manager.

Surely it should be obvious that a private football club and a national association aren't particularly comparable?!

**pineapple stu** · 24/02/2024, 7:10 PM

Originally Posted by Eirambler

That's not to say that we should start throwing around millions that we don't have, but we can certainly stretch to a few hundred thousand more for a senior manager.

Come back John Delaney; all is forgiven!

Originally Posted by Eirambler

Surely it should be obvious that a private football club and a national association aren't particularly comparable?!

I'd argue they're very comparable. Portsmouth and Leeds spent too much reaching for the stars, had their wings burnt, and the debt levels they built up held them back for years. They've never really recovered - Portsmouth haven't been above the third tier in a dozen years; Leeds' recent PL spell was their first since the **** hit the fan.

That all sounds very comparable to what's happening the FAI now

**Eirambler** · 24/02/2024, 7:15 PM

But they're not really though. Ireland can't be relegated multiple divisions due to financial impropriety, or have to start again from the Northern Counties league or the Scottish third division as a result of a liquidation. Every country in the world has a football association, there's a need for one that goes beyond the role of a privately owned football club. So the reality is that the potential consequences for a football club will never be the same as a national football association. They're two very different things.

**pineapple stu** · 24/02/2024, 8:15 PM

But Portsmouth and Leeds didn't have that either.

What they did have was funds tied up in debt repayments holding them back for years and years. Exactly what we're seeing with the FAI now

I think in theory we could be relegated to the bottom Nations League group btw. And maybe even restart as a bottom seed in qualifying. Just because it's never happened before (that I'm aware of) doesn't mean we should find out what could happen.

Spending a few hundred grand extra (per year .. ignoring the likely knock-on impact of an increase in backroom staff) does not sound like a reasonable business plan

**ontheotherhand** · 25/02/2024, 6:26 PM

Originally Posted by Eirambler

But they're not really though. Ireland can't be relegated multiple divisions due to financial impropriety, or have to start again from the Northern Counties league or the Scottish third division as a result of a liquidation. Every country in the world has a football association, there's a need for one that goes beyond the role of a privately owned football club. So the reality is that the potential consequences for a football club will never be the same as a national football association. They're two very different things.

You sound like you know more than I do on the topic of consequences. What would actually happen if they went to the wall?

**Eirambler** · 25/02/2024, 7:06 PM

Well, there's a few possibilities. Most of them involved state funding in one form or another, - be it a loan or a bailout - which almost certainly wouldn't happen with a club. But at the end of it all there would still be a national football association and we'd continue to have a national football team.

Look, none of this is going to happen anyway for the sake of throwing a few hundred thousand extra to hire a better manager. Especially not in the context of the debts JD ran up. As I said earlier a better manager would be more likely to pay for himself, especially if the alternative is a Jim Crawford or a Stephen Bradley type or, god forbid, a Neil Lennon.

**ontheotherhand** · 25/02/2024, 7:23 PM

Originally Posted by Eirambler

Well, there's a few possibilities. Most of them involved state funding in one form or another, - be it a loan or a bailout - which almost certainly wouldn't happen with a club. But at the end of it all there would still be a national football association and we'd continue to have a national football team.

Look, none of this is going to happen anyway for the sake of throwing a few hundred thousand extra to hire a better manager. Especially not in the context of the debts JD ran up. As I said earlier a better manager would be more likely to pay for himself, especially if the alternative is a Jim Crawford or a Stephen Bradley type or, god forbid, a Neil Lennon.

You want tax payers to pay for the FAI to gamble on qualifying for a tournament?

**pineapple stu** · 25/02/2024, 7:25 PM

At the expense of, say, investing in LoI academies which would help develop players to make our team better in the future

**EalingGreen** · 25/02/2024, 7:47 PM

Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

You sound like you know more than I do on the topic of consequences. What would actually happen if they went to the wall?

They could ask to rejoin the IFA?

**ontheotherhand** · 25/02/2024, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

At the expense of, say, investing in LoI academies which would help develop players to make our team better in the future

There are plastic hammers that have gone uninflated for years now stu! Priorities.

**Eirambler** · 25/02/2024, 8:25 PM

Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

You want tax payers to pay for the FAI to gamble on qualifying for a tournament?

No - I specifically said I didn't expect that to happen. But feel free to twist it whatever way suits your own agenda.

**pineapple stu** · 25/02/2024, 8:29 PM

You only don't expect it to happen because you don't understand accountancy though

Anyone can "not expect" things to happen on that basis

**ontheotherhand** · 25/02/2024, 9:03 PM

Originally Posted by Eirambler

No - I specifically said I didn't expect that to happen. But feel free to twist it whatever way suits your own agenda.

What odds are you giving and on what basis?

And please go back and answer my earlier question - what happens to the people currently going without a full wage for actually trying to help the sport in this country? How does your budget increase help them?