Did the match remind anyone else of Iceland?

[superfrank]

I remember my dad was living in Epping at the time and apparently he got fierce abuse simply for being Irish. He had a very strong Kerry accent so it's understandable.

[geysir]

I remember my dad was living in Epping at the time and apparently he got fierce abuse simply for being Irish. He had a very strong Kerry accent so it's understandable.

I have lost track of the thread since history has been rewritten with Macedonia´s margin of victory getting bigger over the years :-)

Seeing as we are way off the thread already,
I do not understand the connection with your dad getting abuse at that time. Did he get abuse for being Irish in Epping ? or did he got abuse for being Irish at the time of Diana's death in Epping?
I don't get it.
If it was about Diana's death, what was it that inspired the natives to abuse your Irish Dad.?
Then why do you write that it was understandable because he had a very thick kerry accent?
Just curious

[OwlsFan]

Yes, maybe but our fate in that campaign was sealed in Skopje. Macedonia 4 Rep. Ireland 1. Oh, it was awful!

And that was just the new away jersey......

Not sure what game that was because we lost 3-2 in the game I remember. Whatever happened to Jon Goodman who played that day ??

As the the "rose tinted glasses" someone mentioned, not at all. I was in Bucharest for that game and it was one of our best performances away from home and I rang up RTE (Dessie Cahill) when I came home after I heard the scurrilous comments by the panel and to say what a great performance it was - so no rose tinted there.

It was one of the easiest groups we had been in (Iceland, Romania, Lithuania, Macedonia and Liechtenstein) but Mick was in the rebuilding phase.

[superfrank]

Seeing as we are way off the thread already,
I do not understand the connection with your dad getting abuse at that time. Did he get abuse for being Irish in Epping ? or did he got abuse for being Irish at the time of Diana's death in Epping?
I don't get it.
If it was about Diana's death, what was it that inspired the natives to abuse your Irish Dad.?
Then why do you write that it was understandable because he had a very thick kerry accent?
Just curious

I think it was to do with being Irish, living in England with an Englishwoman. He always said it was a bit of a racist area anyway. I think he was once accused of being in the IRA.

I have lost track of the thread since history has been rewritten with Macedonia´s margin of victory getting bigger over the years :-)

Not sure what game that was because we lost 3-2 in the game I remember. Whatever happened to Jon Goodman who played that day ??

I thought it was 4-1, but it could very well have been 3-2. My memory has deteriorated over the years due to......eh....unknown reasons. All I remeber was the orange and black jersey we wore!

[stojkovic]

I think it was to do with being Irish, living in England with an Englishwoman. He always said it was a bit of a racist area anyway. I think he was once accused of being in the IRA.



I thought it was 4-1, but it could very well have been 3-2. My memory has deteriorated over the years due to......eh....unknown reasons. All I remeber was the orange and black jersey we wore!

Defo 3-2. We went 1up, Alan McLoughlin and then 3-1 down. Two penos I believe for handball against McAteer and Phelan with Hristov getting the third. Cant remember who got one back for us, maybe Connolly.

It was an easy group as Romania were rebuilding. We should have beaten them over there, mistake by centre-half Ian Harte for their goal. Roy Keane missed a peno.

Remember Charlton refusing to re-sign after he saw the draw as he thought maybe we had a chance. He had to force the FAI to sack him.

[superfrank]

I'm too young to remember. Why was Charlton hired in the first place?

[OwlsFan]

I'm too young to remember. Why was Charlton hired in the first place?

Not sure if this is a tongue in cheek question but I'll answer in anyway. The FAI were determined to get a professional to do the job. I think it was between him and Bob Paisley and possibly Giles was in the reckoning as well. Ireland had never qualified for a tournament - we had come close on a couple of occasions but the qualifications for the World Cup in 1986 we had come bottom of the group, losing the last match 1-4 at home to Denmark in front of 18k fans, half of whom were Danes. Something drastic was required and Jack was the man to do it, although he did bring a muppet in the form of Setters with him. The rest, as they say, is history.

I was delighted Charlton was appointed - he had done a great job at Wednesday and when Con Houlihan wrote a piece in the Evening Press (remember that newspaper ?) attacking the appointment, I wrote him a letter telling him he would be shown to be wrong. EIght years later I sent him a copy of that letter reminding him of the error of his ways

I don't readily have heroes in my life but to me Jack will always be one. He rescued Wednesday from the bottom of the old Third Division and lead Ireland to 3 tournaments - a place I had thought was only for others to enjoy and for me to watch on TV. I still get a lump in my throat when I remember the Aer Lingus plane carrying the team landing in Germany in 1988. Ireland had arrived on the world football stage. A magical moment I shalln't forget.

[superfrank]

Oh, it was '86. I was born in '88.

[lopez]

...I was delighted Charlton was appointed - he had done a great job at Wednesday and when Con Houlihan wrote a piece in the Evening Press (remember that newspaper ?) attacking the appointment, I wrote him a letter telling him he would be shown to be wrong. EIght years later I sent him a copy of that letter reminding him of the error of his ways ...

I remember the Irish Press journalist (Seamus Brennan??) asking, after Charlton mistakingly called Liam Brady, 'Ian Brady' , if there was a Myra Hidley from England he was going to call up. I liked Charlton a lot although my view of his talents were not as strong as yours. He was however on top of that a great bloke to approach as a fan (as I found in Iceland in 1986) especially compared with Hand. We owe him a lot.

[stojkovic]

I'm too young to remember. Why was Charlton hired in the first place?

There were about six or eight candidates for the job.
The FAI Executive voted, first round results ;

Bob Paisley - 9
Jack Charlton - 3
Johnny Giles - 3
Others - 7

The 'others' were eliminated from the second round vote and this is what happened ;

Jack Charlton - 9
Bob Paisley - 8
Johnny Giles - 3

Not only were the 'others' votes transferred to Charlton but someone also jumped from Paisley to Jack.

The poll was conducted by Jeb Bush.

The rest, as they say, is history

[geysir]

I think it was to do with being Irish, living in England with an Englishwoman. He always said it was a bit of a racist area anyway. I think he was once accused of being in the IRA.

Thanks for some clarification, There was no context for your remarks, maybe you misinterpreted the post by Lopes.
But why do think a thick kerry accent made the abuse understandable?

Thick kerry accent?
How many times did he say yarrah in the same sentence? ;-)

[geysir]

snip: As the the "rose tinted glasses" someone mentioned, not at all. I was in Bucharest for that game and it was one of our best performances away from home.

I had made the comment about rose tinted spectacles, Maybe you did not read my post so carefully.
I wrote that they had a good game in Romania.
If you strongly think that they had a great game then I might be tempted to have a look at it again.
Rose tinted glasses was in reference to your general comments/post, that it wasn't a bad team just badly missing a striker.
Should I have written "green tinted glasses" :-)

[superfrank]

Thanks for some clarification, There was no context for your remarks, maybe you misinterpreted the post by Lopes.
But why do think a thick kerry accent made the abuse understandable?

Thick kerry accent?
How many times did he say yarrah in the same sentence? ;-)

If you heard it you'd know that hes from Kerry. It was understandable because, with his accent, it was obvious he was Irish.

On reflection it makes no sense, sorry.

[OwlsFan]

.If you strongly think that they had a great game then I might be tempted to have a look at it again.
Rose tinted glasses was in reference to your general comments/post, that it wasn't a bad team just badly missing a striker.
Should I have written "green tinted glasses" :-)

Absolutely - it was a cracking performance. If you keep the tapes you should have a look at it. You won't recognize Connolly. He was superb. But the panel excelled itself that day in its slanderous and personal attacks on McCarthy. And when I hear DUnphy attacking the "gutter press" in the UK in a sanctimonius way, it really irritates me the hypocrisy of it when I recall his personal attacks on McCarthy - that day being one of the worst ever. So much so that listeners phoned in to complain and O'Herlihy said it irked him when people complained about "objective" opinions.

But I digress - because we lost 1-0 (we missed a peno) the game is forgotten about but it was excellent.

[pineapple stu]

Defo 3-2. We went 1up, Alan McLoughlin and then 3-1 down. Two penos I believe for handball against McAteer and Phelan with Hristov getting the third. Cant remember who got one back for us, maybe Connolly.

David Kelly, after a great run past three or four players by Jon Goodman. You have everything else correct.

[superfrank]

You won't recognize Connolly. He was superb.

Did you really mean it to read like this?

When was the last time he played, anyone know?

[pineapple stu]

That Australia (or was it Turkey?) friendly? (When he scored a brilliant goal, incidentally)

[superfrank]

That Australia (or was it Turkey?) friendly? (When he scored a brilliant goal, incidentally)

Incidentally, I don't remember. It must've been Australia.

I only remember playing Turkey in Euro play-offs.

[pineapple stu]

I only remember playing Turkey in Euro play-offs.

You don't remember the Turkey game?!

We drew 2-2, and they brought on a keeper wh owas so bad that he was subbed off again 15 minutes later! Spilled everything - even hit his own post! Best atmosphere ever at a Lansdowne friendly just mocking him!

[superfrank]

I only remember the 1-1 when funnily enough we had to sub our keeper. It was the first time I saw Dean Kiely play for us and, poor chap, first thing he had to do was pick the ball outof the net.