Yeah, well, the children of those legally settled there. By law, I have a feeling I'm a British citizen myself, although I was never aware of that until relatively recently. I've yet to follow it up and claim the passport, God forbid!Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Correct.
This would be the case, but the Protestant/unionist community has generally professed, even violently (albeit more so in the past), to be of a completely different nation despite how certain nationalist commentators might try to convince them otherwise: something along the lines of them essentially being duped Irishmen who've suffered manipulation at the hands of Britain and its interests; that the likes of Wolfe Tone were as proud and worthy Irishmen is any "native". That's met with staunch rebuke/accusations of condescension, however, so I'm not sure where that leaves them as regards being apparent children of the Irish nation. They don't really want to be part of it, or the non-British construction of it at least.On that basis, I'd have thought that true Irish Nationalists would abide with a desire "to cherish all the children of the nation".
I have no problem embracing your Britishness, and I think I can come to terms with your British Irishness (as a singular identity distinct from the dual one), but when you refer to that as simply Irish, that's what I have difficulty with. As I see it, you can be British Irish, British and Irish, if you can see the difference to which I'm alluding? Possibly it's just an issue of semantics. Anyway, I'm just throwing thoughts out and giving myself a headache in the process; don't interpret it as me telling you what you are or what you are not.Does that mean that Irish Nationals will only cherish me if I forego my British & Irish identity? - something that Irish Nationalists need to come to terms with, regardless of the Constitutional position on the island. Even in the event of a singular State on the island, British identity, expressed by Citizenship etc, will continue for generations of people born on the island - as per the Good Friday Agreement.
Can Irish Nationalists not embrace my Britishness, whilst celebrating my Irishness?
Ideally, but I guess other inhabitants opposing the interests of Irish nationalism and the native Catholic population with violence and subordination over centuries along with the calculated playing up of religious differences by those in control put a bit of an irreparable spanner in the works. Conflicting interests, in-group bias and all that...I thought Irish Nationalists would at least have a soft spot for all people of the island of Ireland.
By and large, that's a fair statement, although I have encountered the odd idiot who, for some reason, responds to the prospect of the IFA changing the NI anthem with typical whataboutery: "Why do we have to change our anthem? You don't hear of the FAI having to change their anthem!" (See the recent discussion on BBC Radio Ulster about the anthem issue, for example.) It is merely a diversion tactic, mind, so probably not worth attributing a huge deal of significance to such opinions, in fairness.
I always liked the one (not sure how true it is) about Kevin Kilbane turning up to an England training camp in an Ireland jersey and telling them where to go.In my opinion the ROI team has always been a nationalist team with nationalist fans and nationalist players and a few British Citizens who realise they are not good enough to represent England and thus choose the ROI to further their club career prospects.
Never mind that.By law, I have a feeling I'm a British citizen myself, although I was never aware of that until relatively recently. I've yet to follow it up and claim the passport, God forbid!
I feel a mass letter-writing campaign should be instigated from Irish citizens in the North asking the Brit Home secretary, is it Teresa May, to revoke their British citizenship.
And elsewhere for that matter.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...ty/form_rn.pdf
Just remember to use a black pen and block capitals.
Let's just say some people I know will be receiving shortly...
...and a spelling and grammar check.
Last edited by The Fly; 09/12/2011 at 12:39 PM.
Not a 'sporting fixture' maybe, but "Danny Boy" at the Commonwealth Games?Unlike Scotland and Wales, we don't have an uniquely Northern Irish Anthem used at sporting fixtures.
Make sure they are aware of the consequences of renouncing their British Citizenship.Let's just say some people I know will be receiving shortly...
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Correct - "Danny Boy" is not, however, an "official" National Anthem of Northern Ireland.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Please instigate this.
You'd wonder why those smart cookies in PSF haven't thought of this.
Perhaps there are reasons why they don't.
I wonder what they could be?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
French Toasht, prepare yourself for the possibility of pages upon pages of those circular arguments.
Most people are unaware of it in any case.Perhaps there are reasons why they don't.
I wonder what they could be?
DannyInvincible,
Some interesting points from you on identity up the thread - I'll get back to you with my thoughts on the issues you raise.
Should we move that discussion to the "Indentity" thread which exists elsewhere on the forum?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
PSF would be well aware of Citizenship Laws.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
PSF??
Who they?
PSF = Predictably Savvy Fenians.
I'm afraid I can't answer the question above about what rough proportion of NI youth players kick with which foot. It's more of a worry that their senior colleagues can't use either very well...
Heh, for once your answer makes more sense Great Rotundo...
No problem, Brit Boy. Always glad to help
I realise that. I was referring more to the general population.
Yeah, reading up on it, by law I think I'm entitled to be a British Citizen also, my mother being born whilst on Holiday in England and me being born after 1/1/83. Must give Capello a call because Trapattoni hasn't answered any of my texts.Yeah, well, the children of those legally settled there. By law, I have a feeling I'm a British citizen myself, although I was never aware of that until relatively recently. I've yet to follow it up and claim the passport, God forbid!
I'm suggesting that if there were any "benefits"/mileage in Northern Irish Nationalists/Republicans denouncing their British Citizenship, PSF would certainly have made their constituency aware of it.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
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