Joe Gamble?

[minty]

Is he staying or leaving?

[A face]

Leaving i'd say, the question is where.

[Dodge]

Leaving i'd say, the question is where.

He won't be moving until the end of the season (if in Ireland) or January (if abroad)

[pete]

Talk of some loophole that would allow him to move to Pats now. Can't see how that is possible myself...

[Dodge]

Well if he's a completely free agent (like Paisley at Longford, or the Shels players) he can sign outside the window.

I'd ahve thought him agreeing to "defer" his wages meant he wasn't a total free agent

[Macy]

I'd ahve thought him agreeing to "defer" his wages meant he wasn't a total free agent

I would say the deferal was on the basis that they can leave as a free agent?

[Longfordian]

Well if he's a completely free agent (like Paisley at Longford, or the Shels players) he can sign outside the window.

I'd ahve thought him agreeing to "defer" his wages meant he wasn't a total free agent

Paisley agreed to defer his but still went as a free agent. I'd imagine Gamble could do the same all things being equal.

[Dodge]

You'd know better than me lads...

[Shelsman]

Paisley agreed to defer his but still went as a free agent. I'd imagine Gamble could do the same all things being equal.

Mustn't forget the Anti-Cork Conspiracy though.........

[micls]

Well if he's a completely free agent (like Paisley at Longford, or the Shels players) he can sign outside the window.

I'd ahve thought him agreeing to "defer" his wages meant he wasn't a total free agent

Do you have to be a free agent befor ethe transfer window closes for this? Thats what i thought.

Otherwise why would the PFAI have tried to get the transfer window re-opened?

[Longfordian]

I think there was a deadline of the end of August, might have been the 29th, for any Eircom League signings free agent or not now that I come to think of it. That would explain McGuiness' comments as you say micls.

[jebus]

I thought there was a seperate deadline for free transfers outside of the usual transfer window?

[Longfordian]

Yes that's what I meant. Forgive my clumsy phrasing!. Free agents could have been signed up until the end of August, contracted players could only have been signed until 31st July

[higgins]

If he's a free agent I can't see why he wouldn't be allowed sign for another Irish club.

You can't just offer somebody 30% and say thats that you're under contract.
Sure Shels could have put 1 euro into the bank accounts of all the players and what, say they are still under contract !!

They are still there as they believe they are high up the list to get their 70% back and nobody else will offer them another contract on the silly money Cork are giving them. I'm sure they can handle a few weeks on 30% to see how things go.

They will always be owed the 70%.
Shels paid back all the players that went without money. Indeed if they had not done so the licence would have been taken away. Players are covered here lads.

In my opinion cork are digging a bigger hole waiting around for Mr Investor while running up further debts. Those players should be moved on ASAP.
You were in 1.3million worth of debt.
You are now in 1.3million + examiner fee + 70% players wages for 3 weeks worth of debt.

[micls]

If he's a free agent I can't see why he wouldn't be allowed sign for another Irish club.

well our players and the PFAI are unedr the impression that they cant move to Irish clubs. i always thought you had to be a free agent before teh transfer window closed to move outside it.

You can't just offer somebody 30% and say thats that you're under contract

We didnt. They are all free agents.

They are still there as they believe they are high up the list to get their 70% back and nobody else will offer them another contract on the silly money Cork are giving them. I'm sure they can handle a few weeks on 30% to see how things go.

maybe. A few of them turned down moves yesterday. Some have come out saying that they are settled in Cork and dont want to move. Families kids etc there's more to it than just money.


They all came to the FORAS meeting too

They will always be owed the 70%.

true, but if the club goes bust(which is highly possile) theyl get nothing.

In my opinion cork are digging a bigger hole waiting around for Mr Investor while running up further debts. Those players should be moved on ASAP.
You were in 1.3million worth of debt.

Waiting for Mr investor? We're doing our best to raise the funds we need. We do not run the club, right now the examiner does. Teh players were told on Firday of an interested investor which apparently convinced a good few of them not to move on and to wait things out.

Personally I think we'd have been better off if theyd gone but there's nothing we can do. The examiner makes these decisions

You are now in 1.3million + examiner fee + 70% players wages for 3 weeks worth of debt.

Im pretty sure that 1.3 million figure is wrong, AFAIk thats the figure til the end of season its 800k at the moment.

I know what your saying, but theres nothing we can do about it right now.

[A face]

Paisley agreed to defer his but still went as a free agent.

There was very dodgy circumstances in all of that case though. People held positions which they shouldn't have because there was a glaring conflict of interests that the FAI FAILED to pick up on.

I dont think we are allowed talk about it though ....

[Longfordian]

Oh I'm well aware of all of that believe me but the facts are the facts. Deferral = non payment = free agent as far as that precedent goes.

[higgins]

Come on lads,, its clear that Cork fans don't see what's happening at their club to be the same as what happened at Longford and Shels. It was the fans fault at all other clubs when things go wrong but this time it's big bold Arkaga and not Corks fans it seems to be!!

Longford and Shels players were free agents but Corks are not ???

The players are covered more than anybody.
They can't be told to accept 30% or else. They are free agents unless they have signed new contracts!! and I doubt any of them did.

They are on inflated contracts down there and why would they leave ??? Sure they are getting the 70% back at some stage. Cork are the bigger fools not selling on these players for what they can get. You're making the problems worse by trying to hold onto them. Your seasons over for feck sake! you've nothing to play for really. In fact by staying and not paying them you're likely to see a points deduction of some sort if it lasts much longer.

[Dodge]

I dont think we are allowed talk about it though ....

Because you're making it up to fit your own agenda. Nobody involved had a conflict of interest.

[micls]

Come on lads,, its clear that Cork fans don't see what's happening at their club to be the same as what happened at Longford and Shels. It was the fans fault at all other clubs when things go wrong but this time it's big bold Arkaga and not Corks fans it seems to be!!

What? Who has said its any different

Longford and Shels players were free agents but Corks are not ???

Eh you're the only one who's said this. Any fan of ours that Ive spoken to or read knows our players are free agents

They are on inflated contracts down there and why would they leave ??? Sure they are getting the 70% back at some stage.

Eh to actually get paid. They only get the 70% back at some stage if we dont go to the wall.

Cork are the bigger fools not selling on these players for what they can get. You're making the problems worse by trying to hold onto them. Your seasons over for feck sake! you've nothing to play for really. In fact by staying and not paying them you're likely to see a points deduction of some sort if it lasts much longer.

Again the person making this decision is the examiner, someone with no link at all to the club.

personally Id prefer if theyd gone but I think he probably knows more than either of us about the situation