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    SkStu has had his account hacked by Piers Morgan.

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    'Reality Check: Is Malmo the rape capital of Europe?': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39056786



    The claim: Many young male migrants arrived in Sweden over the past few years, when the country accepted unprecedented numbers of refugees, and there has been a huge rise in sexual crime in Sweden especially in the southern port city of Malmo.

    Reality Check verdict: Malmo, along with other urban centres in Sweden, has one of the highest levels of reported rapes in proportion to population in the EU, mainly due to the strictness of Swedish laws and how rape is recorded in the country.

    The rate of reported rapes in Malmo has not dramatically risen in recent years and has in fact declined from its peak in 2010, before the recent large increases in refugees.

    It is not possible to connect crimes to the ethnicity of the perpetrators as such data is not published.

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    Have there been more sexual offences in Sweden?


    "Sexual offences" is a very broad term, which refers to a range of all sex-related crimes in Sweden.

    Rape is one of the sexual offences, but other crimes such as paying for sex, sexual harassment, indecent exposure, sexual exploitation, molestation and trafficking are included in the numbers as well.

    During 2015, the year in which Sweden took the largest number of asylum seekers, the number of reported sex crimes and rapes actually decreased by 11% and 12% respectively compared with 2014 - 18,100 sex offences were reported to the police, of which 5,920 were classified as rape.

    This was preceded by a rise of both sex offences and rapes reported to the police in 2014.

    The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Bra) says this rise is due to the changes to the legislation in 2013, which made it tougher.

    Similar increases in the number of reported cases were seen in 2006, after new sex offence legislation came into force in April 2005.

    Since then, Sweden has recorded every reported case of sexual violence separately.

    That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.

    In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.

    Also, paying for sex became one of the crimes counted in the statistics.

    Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences.

    What about rape in Malmo?

    According to Bra, the number of reported rape cases in proportion to the population in the municipality of Malmo has not seen a sharp increase since the biggest group of refugees arrived.

    Reported rapes per 100,000 inhabitants peaked in 2008, 2010 and 2011, and the figures were higher for those pre-refugee influx years than in 2015 and 2016.

    In addition, the reported rape figures were not higher in the Malmo municipality, compared with two other major urban municipalities in Sweden: the capital Stockholm and Gothenburg in the west.

    What about an international comparison?

    It is very hard to compare sex-related offences and rape across the world.

    Police procedures and legal definitions vary widely around the world, making an international comparison meaningless.

    The 2012 UN international rape rate comparison showed Sweden to have the highest rate of rape in Europe and the second highest in the world, but the report did not contain data for a total of 63 countries that did not submit any statistics, including, for example, South Africa, where other earlier surveys indicated a very high rape rate.

    The most recent Eurostat data for the 28 EU countries also puts Sweden in the top spot.

    But the agency warns that comparisons between different countries should be avoided because of differences between their legal and criminal justice systems, recording practices, reporting rates, efficiencies of criminal justice organisations and types of offences included in the categories.

    There has also been a public debate in Sweden over the past two decades to raise awareness and encourage women to go to the police if they have been attacked.

    This has resulted in a higher report rate than in other countries in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkStu View Post
    Head in the sand stuff if you find ways to explain away the rape rise in Sweden at the same time as immigration surges from these countries yet ignore the huge increases in violent crime, property damage, physical assaults and - yes - grenade attacks.
    Have you got those figures and data on ethnicity of perpetrators?

    I understand, in some countries, that there may be an over-representation of people from immigrant backgrounds in crime statistics, but that tends to be closely related to high levels of unemployment, poverty, exclusion and low language and other skills rather than their ethnicity or faith, if it even happens to be Islam. Convictions for migration-related offences as well as possible racial or ethnic discrimination by law enforcement and the judicial system may also sway such figures. I understand non-immigrant Swedes with the same characteristics as those mentioned above - unemployment, poverty, exclusion and low-level skills, for example - are also over-represented in crime statistics.

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    The Swedish government has published this in response to the reports of Muslim immgrants raping Swedes, rising crime levels and an economy on the brink of collapse: http://www.government.se/articles/20...ime-in-sweden/
    They aren't, it isn't and no, it's not.
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    But if you have open borders and a welfare state isn't it unavoidable Tets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    The Swedish has published this in response to the reports of Muslim immgrants raping Swedes, rising crime levels and an economy on the brink of collapse: http://www.government.se/articles/20...ime-in-sweden/
    They aren't, it isn't and no, it's not.
    Whoever wrote that must have their head in the sand. Probably traumatized from all the Grenade attacks.

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    That's the problem with Trump supporters, they throw out opinions as fact and don't respond when facts are provided as... fact. The best approach is to ignore them. The mainstream media should do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post
    Whoever wrote that must have their head in the sand. Probably traumatized from all the Grenade attacks.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...acks_in_Sweden

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    From last year:

    Guardian article (covers other crime as well as sexual): This cover-up of sex assaults in Sweden is a gift for xenophobes
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theg...?client=safari

    Murder rates rise sharply in Sweden
    http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6390644

    Fatal Shootings on the rise in Sweden

    http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6292691

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    I've had 3 bikes stolen in Sweden.

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    More from aftonbladet on crime in Sweden compared to the US: http://www.aftonbladet.se/a/WP0KG

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    Maybe a more fair take than the left wing websites you are promoting:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/2...d-immigration/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkStu View Post
    Murder rates rise sharply in Sweden
    http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6390644
    From that article
    "The long-term tendency of fewer cases of deadly violence still apply even if we take these new, high figures from the Board of Forensic Medicine into account,” said Sven Granath, a criminologist and investigator at the National Council for Crime Prevention

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisLetang View Post
    Maybe a more fair take than the left wing websites you are promoting:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/2...d-immigration/
    Which left wing websites? The Swedish Government or the BBC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    From that article
    I know. I try to source balanced reporting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkStu View Post
    I know. I try to source balanced reporting...
    Outstanding thinking on the fly there Stu.

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    Today friday's traditional White House briefing of the press was cancelled, instead an informal gathering was held elsewhere.
    News outlets deemed critical of the presidency were not permitted to attend, "The New York Times, The Hill, Politico, BuzzFeed, the Daily Mail****, BBC, the Los Angeles Times and the New York Daily News were among the other news organizations not permitted to attend"

    ***Just in case you were about to fall into a state of stupor, that's not the UK Daily Mail.

    The first organ to attack is the media, there shall be no checks and balances, just declare them "enemy of the people".
    The truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
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    The Friday trash thing? Obama brought the whole press to the golf course you mean?
    Last edited by KrisLetang; 25/02/2017 at 12:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Today friday's traditional White House briefing of the press was cancelled, instead an informal gathering was held elsewhere.
    News outlets deemed critical of the presidency were not permitted to attend, "The New York Times, The Hill, Politico, BuzzFeed, the Daily Mail****, BBC, the Los Angeles Times and the New York Daily News were among the other news organizations not permitted to attend"

    ***Just in case you were about to fall into a state of stupor, that's not the UK Daily Mail.

    The first organ to attack is the media, there shall be no checks and balances, just declare them "enemy of the people".
    The truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
    Spend two years calling someone racist, hitler, pedo, rapist, say he fcked a 13 year old girl, say he molested a bunch of women, say he ****ed on hookers in Russia, say he's owned by Putin, say he's owned by Bannon, say he's the spawn of Satan, say he's a white supremacist and say he's anti-semitic.

    Don't get invited to one informal meeting and it's the end of democracy and the world as we know it. FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkStu View Post
    Spend two years calling someone racist, hitler, pedo, rapist, say he fcked a 13 year old girl, say he molested a bunch of women, say he ****ed on hookers in Russia, say he's owned by Putin, say he's owned by Bannon, say he's the spawn of Satan, say he's a white supremacist and say he's anti-semitic.

    Don't get invited to one informal meeting and it's the end of democracy and the world as we know it. FFS.
    I'm pretty sure the BBC, for instance, has never called him a paedo or said he's the spawn of Satan. Or any of those thing actually. Are they guilty by association?

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