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    Premiership 'Second Rate'

    According to AlexiLalas. Gowan biy!
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    Delusion.

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    2 Words Mr Lalas "Cobi Jones"

    Apart from the huge amount of self delusion he has more than a fair point about the over-hyped premiership.
    Last edited by endabob1; 20/06/2007 at 3:55 PM.

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    The premiership is second rate, but the American league is useless too.
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    First I was thinking why is Alexi Lalas talking about this, then I realised I was thinking of Alexi Sayle.
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    He was right in everything he said about the Premiership, if we can get past the fact its an American talking about football then maybe more Irish football fans would listen and start coming along to the Eircom League.

    As it stands though the few I showed the article too yesterday didn't even bother reading it, simply because the speaker was Alexei Lalas, strange though that couldn't argue against his point about Sky and the Premiership just robbing American Football's marketing strategy

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    3 of the CL semi finalists were Premiership sides, don't see how you can be second rate with that kind of representation in Europe.
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    And who won it in the end? The only team that could pass the ball properly
    Even with an average age of 47
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoops1 View Post
    And who won it in the end? The only team that could pass the ball properly
    Even with an average age of 47
    Agreed.

    But are you saying that EVERY other club in europe is second rate, because they didnt win the European Cup last year? As BohsPartisan said, 3 from 4 teams in the semi-finals indicates the quality of the Premiership, which, in my opinion, is equal to every other league in terms of producing teams which win games, if not in terms of flowing football.
    Last edited by osarusan; 20/06/2007 at 4:25 PM.

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    He is right about a lot of things but its a bit much for him to be slagging the Premiership over presentation over substance and then signing David Beckham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osarusan View Post
    Agreed.

    But are you saying that EVERY other club in europe is second rate, because they didnt win the European Cup last year? As BohsPartisan said, 3 from 4 teams in the semi-finals indicates the quality of the Premiership, which, in my opinion, is equal to every other league in terms of producing teams which win games, if not in terms of flowing football.
    Of course not. Getting 3 teams to the CL semis does not prove there is quality throughout the league though
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    Lalas is a smart lad. He knows how to stoke talk about MLS with the kind of comments he makes. Do anyone really think that he really means what he says? Not a chance he does. He is out there to publicise the league and especially his team. And while he may be perceived as being an idiot, he is actually doing a great job. With his recent comments, he has gotten MLS on the front page of soccernet, espn.com, and in the English newspapers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilMcD View Post
    He is right about a lot of things but its a bit much for him to be slagging the Premiership over presentation over substance and then signing David Beckham.
    Yeah the man is after playing an important role in his team winning La Liga , clearly has no substance whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoops1 View Post
    Of course not. Getting 3 teams to the CL semis does not prove there is quality throughout the league though
    a better indicator of this is the uefa cup which is a representation of better than average teams in a league.

    this is where the spanish teams shine. and why it's a better league than the premiership

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    The Premiershi* is overrated and is not even as good a League as it's equivalent (ye olde First Division) was back in the 1980's. Back then anyone of 9 or 10 clubs in a good year had a chance of finishing in the top 2. Clubs like Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest ( a wee bit earlier) had a chance of winning the League.
    True Liverpool were the dominant side but they did lose out and clubs like Ipswich Town regularly featured in the top 4-5 of the League.

    Those days are gone forever. Nobody and I mean nobody outside, Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool or Man United is going to win the Premier title across the water in the next 15 years. We know that already now.
    Even our Premier Division is more competitive.

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    Next season in the Premiersh* we shall see ARSEnal, Manchester US*ITEd, LIVERPOO amongst others

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    Quote Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie View Post
    The Premiershi* is overrated and is not even as good a League as it's equivalent (ye olde First Division) was back in the 1980's. Back then anyone of 9 or 10 clubs in a good year had a chance of finishing in the top 2. Clubs like Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest ( a wee bit earlier) had a chance of winning the League.
    True Liverpool were the dominant side but they did lose out and clubs like Ipswich Town regularly featured in the top 4-5 of the League.

    Those days are gone forever. Nobody and I mean nobody outside, Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool or Man United is going to win the Premier title across the water in the next 15 years. We know that already now.
    Even our Premier Division is more competitive.
    So because 4 teams have pulled away from the rest and dramatically improved the standard that means it's worse now.

    And I wouldn't even expect a 5 year old to come with something like your second post.

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    CTID's post has some merit. In thelate 70's/early 80's, it was possible for mid table teams to launch an assault on the title. Also, more importantly, the likes of Nottingham Forest etc were able to succeed in European competition, although obviously some parameters have changed since then.
    Last edited by Soper; 23/06/2007 at 2:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie View Post
    The Premiershi* is overrated and is not even as good a League as it's equivalent (ye olde First Division) was back in the 1980's. Back then anyone of 9 or 10 clubs in a good year had a chance of finishing in the top 2. Clubs like Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest ( a wee bit earlier) had a chance of winning the League.
    True Liverpool were the dominant side but they did lose out and clubs like Ipswich Town regularly featured in the top 4-5 of the League.

    Those days are gone forever. Nobody and I mean nobody outside, Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool or Man United is going to win the Premier title across the water in the next 15 years. We know that already now.
    Even our Premier Division is more competitive.

    Dont think so , even five years ago there was Leeds and Newcastle amongst the top 4 , Theres nothing stopping the likes of Spurs and Newcastle getting back amongst the top 4 this season indeed Arsenal were very lucky to make the top 4 two seasons ago and Liverpool were 5th the season before that . Arsenal could be about to go through a bad patch if Henry isnt replaced and if Wenger leaves at the end of his contract so I really can only see for the next 3-4 years that Manchester United and Chelsea would be shoe ins for the top 4 places and maybe to a lesser extent Liverpool though they flatter to deceive at times

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo View Post
    Dont think so , even five years ago there was Leeds and Newcastle amongst the top 4 , Theres nothing stopping the likes of Spurs and Newcastle getting back amongst the top 4 this season indeed Arsenal were very lucky to make the top 4 two seasons ago and Liverpool were 5th the season before that . Arsenal could be about to go through a bad patch if Henry isnt replaced and if Wenger leaves at the end of his contract so I really can only see for the next 3-4 years that Manchester United and Chelsea would be shoe ins for the top 4 places and maybe to a lesser extent Liverpool though they flatter to deceive at times
    of course CTiD's statement was that no one outside MU, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool was going to WIN the EPL and nothing at all about them being the top 4 teams for the next five years.

    For what it is worth I think he is spot on - yes, newcastle or spurs could break into 3rd or 4th but the jump required to win the league is not one that I feel could be taken within the next 5 years. Just look at Liverpool - they have been in the top few places for nearly a decade now and still look no closer to winning a title.

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