wws is not a bigot , the english and scottish clubs have been taking the **** when it comes to eircom for decades its a joke!
offering 70,000 for a player that you know to be the real deal
offering significantly less for a player who could be even better
than making a joke about having a few pints of guinness
than valuing said player at 5 mill plus.....
when he has not shown any qualitative improvement in the interim
thats borderline racisim
read the chapter in Paul McGraths book about his sale to United
instructive about the attitude of teh english to their dealings with Irish clubs
plus ca change
It's market forces lads , ye shouldnt be given out about the players , English teams tend to be well off so they dont need to sell their players on the cheap hence the price one would have to pay for these players goes up , If Watford were crippled with debt he would go for a lot less than 9m . Oh and he isnt a striker so your 3 goals in 21 games thing is irrelevant.Originally Posted by youngirish
i hope this isn't a new trend developing:
eircom league season ends before christmas - players are out of contract - english lg 1 , championship and SPL clubs raid ireland for cheap talent during transfer window!!
whats the overall jist
The reason Cole went to Chelsea for Gallas and 5million is because Gallas was refusing to play for Chelsea anymore and was threatening to run down the last year of his contract, which also lowered his price tag. Arsenal refused to do business with Chelsea over Cashley unless Gallas was part of the package. Considering Cole's initial evaluation was 25million a lot of people thought Arsenal got the short end of the straw in taking 5million and a player they could have for nothing a year down the line.
I'd equate Doyle's evaluation with that of Andrew Johnson to be honest. Both have proven they ae better than Championship quality, both have a good return in the Premier, and both have minimal international experience. Johnson's valuation was 8.5million, so thats what I'd put Doyle's at, which is what Villa or any other club will probably have to part with to get him, so......what's the problem?
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Its up to the Irish teams to reject the low bids , English teams are only offering these low amounts because they know in the past such low amounts have been accepted.
doyles was due to a contractual clause which triggered his sale - according to reports
dillons was due to the pressure shels are under - in most ordinary cases from now on the figures should be 6 figure deals....and rising
You're joking right? Six figures and rising for players from a part-time league, the vast majority with no international experience, and most without any European experience either? You'd be lucky to get a hundred grand for a player like that off a club with a bit of sense. If irish clubs don't like it than don't sell the player, English clubs will soon head off to Norway or Sweden instead if they are constantly being rejected
Oh come on, Doyle has made 2 significant steps forward since leaving Cork, firstly proving himself in the Championship then in the Premiership. There were many people (myself included) who thought he could be another Stephen Elliot and fail in the Premiership. Do you really think there is some cosy cartel of English clubs agreeing to pay peanuts for Irish players? If anyone had thought he was worth significantly mroe than 70K then they'd have oubid Reading. If you compare it to what you would pay for a player from a Norwegian club who had no International experience, it's not an unreasonable amount.
the fact we are a smaller league will definately keep the value of our players down - as an example both celtic and hearts have been chasing this so-called 'new hagi' from romania (he's meant to be the real deal). both clubs mad keen to sign him and both offered contracts ... the fee €125,000.
if eL clubs can get close to the €500k that cork are supposidly looking for o'donavan then that is about as much as we can expect at this moment in time for our top players.
IMO it would take many more 'kevin doyle type' impacts to change that opinion of value.
your living in dreamland
a player has a worth
its immaterial what nationality, league, blah blah blah he plays in
doyle was not paid what he was worth
and for the record he was a player with european experience who had already faced better oppossition than that afforded by the English championship.
its an inferiority complex that would even consider rating any top 5 club Irish player as worth less than 100,000
jebus, it was wrong with Paul McGRATH, it was wrong with Kevin Doyle, it was wrong with Long, it was wrong with O Callaghan - people like you just dont understand that you pay for the player.
these player ARE worth more
AND imho o dONOVAN would do a cracking job in England or for any top club willing to take the "risk"
Quote from Damian Richarson in todays Sun:
We have to educate english clubs. Kevin Doyle left cheaply because of a clause in his contract and that has done eircom League clubs no favours as English clubs believe they can pick players up cheaply....
we have to educate ourselves first - why was that clause in it in the first place!
our league / clubs have to place more value on our players first if we expect english / scotish clubs to do it. if players are regulary out of contract at the end of season then there is very little value placed on their contract and therefore the transfer is going to be low.
because of Colm's hero. See other thread re a fat englishman from galway
Of course looking back Doyle was a bargain for Reading, but that is hindsight. There are plenty of players who go to England and dont make it.
The sad truth is that most English clubs see Irish players as being unproven. They are assessing them on potential alone. This is always a risk.
I agreee a player has a worth, but it not based directly on their skill, experience or anyhting else. It is solely based on what clubs are prepared to pay and what price a club is prepared to sell at. In this instance no-one else was bidding and Cork had to sell.
I'm confused with the 'Enlgish clubs are racist' line. There's not exactly a huge line of clubs from other countries coming to buy Irish players. If anything English clubs are prone to preferring Irish players over other nationalities, hence the large number of Irish players in the Premiership.
i would of called him a fat galwayman from england myself!!
Rooney will proably prove to be worth his extravagant fee but Stevie G and Rio Ferdidand are overvalued IMO.
The sad fact of the matter is that at the same time as Doyle an Irish U21 international was signed for 70 grand Lita an U21 English international was signed from Britol City for a million. Of course it's to do with the nationality. Anyone saying otherwise is either a) English or b) Insane.
As for Ashley Cole being worth 25 million and Arsenal making a loss selling him for Gallas plus 5 mill. Pure English media nonsense. Why is he worth 25 million? If he is worth 25 million Gallas (A World Cup finalist and European Championship winner) shouldn't have went for 50 million or less. As for Gallas refusing to play for Chelsea, Cole was also causing trouble at Arsenal at the same time and wanted a move away so it was like for like.
I also wouldn't even compare Andy Johnson to Doyle. Johnson is another example of overrated English mediocrity hyped up to something it isn't. Doyle already has more goals in the Premiership than he scored in his first season minus all the penalties he took. Also Doyle is younger and was Championship player of the season. If Johnson sells for 8.5 million Doyle should be at least be worth 12 which he could easly demand if he was playing in the White of England instead of the Green of Ireland. Fact.
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