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    Scottish Irn Bru Cup

    On BBC teletext, ROI teams to join N. Ireland and Welsh teams in the Scotish Irn Bru cup
    Last edited by Mr A; 07/06/2017 at 4:00 PM.

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    Fixed title. Was already known that Sligo and Bray would enter this this season. Bala had a decent run in it last year.
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    TNS reached semi's

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    This was announced a while back.

    It was TNS who had the good run in it last year. Which shows how weak Scottish football is outside the SPL.

    The fact that they aren't inviting the top teams from the LOI is a compliment for the league as well.

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    Maybe with a ten team league and a longer season the top clubs could enter it. Why not the top 5 if they would have us. A bigger comp better teams (our top 5) maybe more money sponsorship etc.......but I really just want a couple of weakends away in Scotland ,,,, or Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Maybe with a ten team league and a longer season the top clubs could enter it. Why not the top 5 if they would have us. A bigger comp better teams (our top 5) maybe more money sponsorship etc.......but I really just want a couple of weakends away in Scotland ,,,, or Wales
    You might get your wish without any qualification changes

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    I think it was just confirmed and ratified by UEFA yesterday (as required for clubs playing in trans-national competitions), but it's old news. Sligo and Bray were the 2 highest ranked non-Euro qualifiers.

    This competition is for lower league, non-league and underage Scots teams so not the glamour trip some seem to be thinking. It's questionable whether a club pushing for Europe or battling relegation will get any real benefit from travelling to play Brechin City in front of 500 in October. And if they do get thru a round the next round will be after the end of the LoI season. Still, novel opposition and an opportunity to travel to another country to see your club has it's attractions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    You might get your wish without any qualification changes

    ditto

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    Maybe with a ten team league and a longer season the top clubs could enter it. Why not the top 5 if they would have us. A bigger comp better teams (our top 5) maybe more money sponsorship etc.......but I really just want a couple of weakends away in Scotland ,,,, or Wales
    I think the idea is to enter the next best teams that gave not qualified for Europe.

    It'll never happen but I'd like to see LoI clubs in the English knockout competition reserved for League One and League Two.
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    I find the invitation to this tournament an insult. I'm sure it'll be a great trip but this is how Scotland sees the LOI, about the level of their U20 teams. Glad we're not involved. Hope to **** Bray or Sligo win the thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Pietro View Post
    I find the invitation to this tournament an insult. I'm sure it'll be a great trip but this is how Scotland sees the LOI, about the level of their U20 teams. Glad we're not involved. Hope to **** Bray or Sligo win the thing.
    That's exactly why I'm glad to see LOI sides involved tbh. I'd hope Bray and Sligo go over and walk over any opposition they come up against, which realistically, they should be doing until at least playing one of the top Championship sides. If they're at the races at all, either one of them should be capable of winning the thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legendz View Post
    It'll never happen but I'd like to see LoI clubs in the English knockout competition reserved for League One and League Two.
    Why ?

    Bray Wanderers travelling to face the mighty Crawley Town on a Tuesday night in November ? The glamour of it all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr A View Post
    I dream of one day seeing Harps lift the County Antrim Shield.
    Probably more chance of that than an LOI trophy anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Pietro View Post
    I find the invitation to this tournament an insult. I'm sure it'll be a great trip but this is how Scotland sees the LOI, about the level of their U20 teams. Glad we're not involved. Hope to **** Bray or Sligo win the thing.
    In fairness - how are those in Scottish football supposed to yardstick where Irish football is, outside its top clubs ?

    They look at our UEFA ranking - it's a lot lower than their's.

    They look at our attendances - they're significantly lower than their's (even ignoring the top SPL clubs).

    They look at our stadiums, and their's are broadly a lot better than ours.

    So if you look at it objectively - on what grounds can you credibly suggest that they yardstick the LOI, minus its top few clubs, in any other way ?
    Last edited by EatYerGreens; 08/06/2017 at 7:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    In fairness - how are those in Scottish football supposed to yardstick where Irish football is, outside its top clubs ?

    They look at our UEFA ranking - it's a lot lower than ours.

    They look at our attendances - they're significantly lower than theirs (even ignoring the top SPL clubs).

    They look at our stadiums, and theirs are broadly a lot better than ours.

    So if you look at it objectively - on what grounds can you credibly suggest that they yardstick the LOI, minus its top few clubs, in any other way ?
    Take out Celtic and their coefficient and ranking is no better than ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Pietro View Post
    Take out Celtic and their coefficient and ranking is no better than ours.
    That sounds logical, but isn't.

    1) Celtic are a Scottish football club. You can't wish them away.

    2) If we pretended they didn't exist then we'd be counting one less Scottish club in the rankings, which wouldn't be a level playing field.

    3) If they didn't exist, another Scottish club would take their place in Europe. And in their absence, the league would probably be more balanced - and so other Scottish clubs would be in better shape.

    4) If you took out the highest ranking LOI club from our UEFA ranking, our standing would reduce as well.

    5) You can't credibly expect other countries to start tinkering with their own UEFA rankings and making excuses for us in an attempt to yardstick how the LOI compares to themselves.
    Last edited by EatYerGreens; 08/06/2017 at 7:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longfordian View Post
    I think you'll find Celtic are Irish.
    As Irish as Rangers anyway

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