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    Would another election be of benefit to Sinn Féin and/or nationalism generally? What's the strategy? I'd fear a unionist backlash.

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    I can't see how SF would be in a more advantageous position than before. I think they would prefer direct rule and blame DUP intransigence for direct rule.

    There would be a unionist backlash. As has been discussed, all those "fifth seats" could easily flip back.

    They'd be mad to go back to the people and be realistic, there's little appetite for another one.
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    Detractors of Ruth Dudley-Edwards will enjoy this one:



    She is a guest to a discussion, which also features Brian Rowan and Eamonn Mallie, hosted by Al Jazeera's 'Inside Story' programme on the present political stalemate in the north.

    Dudley-Edwards asserts that Martin McGuinness would have kept power-sharing going (despite him having pulled the plug on it) because "he'd invested quite a lot of personal reputation in [it]" and further claims that Gerry Adams won't have the same interest because he has made no such personal investment. Does she think that McGuinness was carving out his own path and deviating from Sinn Féin policy or something? Everything McGuinness did was obviously in accordance with Sinn Féin party policy, and thus in tune with Adams' wishes by extension.

    She also claims that Sinn Féin are "making a crisis out of Brexit"... What planet is she on? Brexit is a crisis and it's hardly of Sinn Féin's making.

    Also, as far as I understand their position, Sinn Féin seek equal treatment for all combatants in the northern conflict, or preferably an international and independently-administered truth and reconciliation process, possibly along South African lines; not "a process with state killers being charged and the IRA getting away with it", as Dudley-Edwards suggests. Gerry Kelly also confirmed that the party advocated parity of treatment on 'The View' recently.

    Dudley-Edwards really is abysmal. Eamonn Mallie doesn't hold back and ruthlessly tears her guff to shreds in a comprehensive outline of the situation as it is. His opening comment is a gem:

    "Y'know, sometimes I wonder whether we're speaking with an historian when I hear Ruth Dudley-Edwards... What is she talking about?! Where has she been all those years?"



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    Gerry Adams makes an explicit commitment that he would give evidence to a truth and reconciliation commission during an interview with Sky News last Sunday:



    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Adams
    It isn't about getting British soldiers in the dock. It's about the victims of British soldiers being treated exactly the same as the victims of the IRA or any other combatant force. Our position has been for an international, independent truth commission that everybody can make use off, but we compromised on this issue. And, yes, I believe that victims of the IRA, or at least their relatives, have the right to truth and I believe that those who are victims of British army violence or state violence also have the right to truth. And the British government is holding that back [in terms of the refusal of the British government, despite the instruction of the Lord Chief Justice, to issue the necessary and promised/agreed funding for legacy inquest/investigative mechanisms to be put in place].

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    I have said - and Martin [McGuinness] and I have said this together quite a few times - that we would both do our best [to openly discuss the past] and we would also encourage other republicans to come forward if there was a satisfactory [legacy, truth and reconciliation] arrangement put in place, and that's my commitment. Martin's not here, but that's still my commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
    Dudley-Edwards really is abysmal. Eamonn Mallie doesn't hold back and ruthlessly tears her guff to shreds
    RDE's clearly a bluffer (and admits she's often on a wind-up), but I thought Mallie came across worse. He sounded arrogant and almost hysterical.

    Marty as the Great Man of History carrying SF almost single-handed doesn't convince, but nor really does Eamonn's claim to know the parties' strategy inside-out. Let's face it, do they know it themselves? They're all over the place since the election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Adams
    I have said - and Martin [McGuinness] and I have said this together quite a few times - that we would both do our best [to openly discuss the past] and we would also encourage other republicans to come forward if there was a satisfactory [legacy, truth and reconciliation] arrangement put in place, and that's my commitment. Martin's not here, but that's still my commitment
    Translated: I'll engage in a dialog about [where the bodies are buried], but only if the Brits squeal first [which of course they won't...]
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    Same old, same old.
    Anyone would think there was only one bad party in all of this.

    Change the record FFS.

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    An excellent piece here written by Amnesty International's Patrick Corrigan on the present impasse regarding the dealing with legacy issues in the north: http://eamonnmallie.com/2017/04/solu...rick-corrigan/

    He also looks at suggestions as to how to move the process forward so as to ensure the UK satisfies its ECHR obligations and truth, justice and reconciliation can be realised as best as possible.

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    Sean Swan of the London School of Economics argues that direct rule from Westminster would be "incompatible with parity of esteem": http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpo...thern-ireland/

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Swan
    The only form of Direct Rule which is compatible with the spirit of the Agreement is some form of joint rule by London and Dublin, whether the minimalist joint authority or joint sovereignty. Joint authority would be simple to institute and would meet the requirement for parity of esteem. Joint sovereignty would be more convoluted (and would require a referendum in the Republic), but has certain advantages:

    • It would help disaggregate sovereignty within these islands;
    • It would be a formal and permanent institutional recognition of the British/Irish nature of Northern Ireland;
    • It would help ensure a ‘soft’ border between north and south, and
    • It would help facilitate keeping Northern Ireland within the EU.

    Under the joint sovereignty of Dublin and London, parity of esteem would be fulfilled and both communities would have a sovereign power with direct control over Northern Ireland to prevent any form of community-based discrimination. Under such conditions it could prove possible to reframe the Assembly without the consociational elements such as ‘designation’ and the requirement for ‘cross-community consent’. This might, or might not, allow for the emergence of ‘normal’ politics. At least the removal of the consociational elements would satisfy those liberal critics who saw in it the ‘institutionalisation of sectarianism’.

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    For what it's worth, here's an interesting list of other condominia (or political territories in or over which two or more sovereign powers formally agree to share equal dominium) around the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom...rnational_law)

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    So, Arlene is now on a "journey" of discovery and visited Our Lady's Grammar School in Newry today to engage with Irish speakers, even saying "go raibh maith agat" as she departed: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-...itics-39717243

    And, tomorrow, she's to meet with Conradh na Gaeilge: http://www.irishnews.com/news/politi...rsday-1007359/

    It seems the assembly election results have encouraged her to reflect on matters. Of course, there's another election approaching, and a cynic might point to that, but engagement with and outreach in respect of the Irish language is a very positive development nonetheless, just as was her attendance at Martin McGuinness' funeral. Is this a new approach from Arlene and the DUP? It's very welcome, if so.

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    Talks suspended til after the UKGE17. Whoop.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/...lks-suspended/
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