It's not the phoneOriginally Posted by micls
A Cork fan looking for a crumb of Iceland comfort in a first round inter toto game played a decade ago. What was that Inter toto, a pre-qualifier to a pre-qualifier, that carried no co-efficient points?
Old Faithful Geysir. Always predictable
Icelandic football is a disaster and they should be sending a high level delegation to Ireland to learn how to do things properly.
#NeverStopNotGivingUp
Don't Diss the intertoto, was a great year and we've had some amazing nights in the intertoto.
Up to 37th in the nations co-efficient ... went ahead of Finland last night. It was a good return - hopefully another two wins next week?
We've only ever won an away European 1st leg 2-0 on two other occasions. Both times returning to Turners Cross to lose 1-0. Hopefully we can avoid that next week as we should put the tie to bed by half time if we turn up.
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Saw last 30min of Derry game on stream. Really open game, Derry had 2 good opportunities along with the goal, both headers over the bar and looked decent going forward. But saying that the Danish side could have added another 3/4 goals to their total. Sligo is the place to be if you want goals/attacking play next week.
I was curious how the champions league seeding would have gone this year had the new system been in place.
seeded
45th Celtic
49th Salzburg
41st Copenhagen
56th BATE -
57th APOEL-
83rd Legia Warsaw -
85th Ludogrets -
114 Partizan Belgrade - jump a few places
121 Maribor
138 Rosenborg - dundalk's opponents' seeding is def benefited here...
150 Garabag Agdam
152 Sheriff Tirapsol
170 Zilnia
171 Malmo
172 Astana
202 Rijeka (Dinamo Zagreb would be significantly higher at 70th)
284 Hapoel Beer Sheva who have a coefficient of 8.000 making this the cut off point.
unseeded this year would have been;
284 FH
292 The New Saints (7.750)
341 Dundalk (6.00)
341 Vilnius (it seems in a tie situation the team with the higher country coefficient goes top)
side note HJK Helsinki (12.750 some great consistency; that's just an average of 1.2 points each year, just one good year in 10 got them 4 points) and Videoton (8.5 one good year also getting 4 points) didnt participate this year and would be higher than the irish clubs but any other winners from their leagues (as hapened this year) would be ranked lower...
All of this is a roundabout way of saying that incumbant champions Cork have such a low coefficient that even a crazy year, somehow getting 3 points (as Dundalk did last year but is much more difficult in the EL) would still not be enough. They have to pull off a decent year this year as well as a decent year next year before it stars to make up for the dearth of points from the last 10 years...
If Dundalk can get through even this one tie and pick up a few points their EL seeding next year might be half decent... at least for the first round...
*bert's site (obv)
For us to be seeded next season we need about 4 points this year alone. To achieve that we need to win two group stage games or draw four or win one and draw two. We won't be seeded. Not in the first round. But we might be seeded in the Europa league second round if we lose in the CL. Depending on how they do the draw.
To be fair we've never been seeded in the past.
@Sparky - Is that taking into account the fact that next year's system applied to this year would have seen Dundalk having to start in CLQ1.
I thought Caulfield was speaking too loosely saying the Estonians won't score 3 times. While it is unlikely, football can give everyone a wallop from time to time. Bohs going across to Wales springs to mind.
Caulfield came across speaking like someone thinking he has risen to a certain level and knows it all. The former Meath manager Sean Boylan used to say when you thought you knew it all about the game, it can give you a kick up the backside. Cork have been very diligent and professional so far. They'll have to be careful that complacency doesn't kick in that might blunt their edge both domestically and in Europe.
https://foot.ie/forums/117-Kerry-FC
A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
Opportunity lost for new clubs/regions to join the LoI family.
Would it? the only official announcement ive seen dont mention the QR1 or QR2...
Bert has an access list but I cant follow it all that well..it seems like there will be two PReliminary rounds..?
"CHPR actually consists of two preliminary rounds with 1 out of 4 champions qualifying for CHQ1" (the four champions coming from Kosovo, Gibratltar, Andora and San Marino)
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert...sList2018.html
edit at least this has been confirmed...?
"domestic champions who are eliminated in the qualifying rounds will get a second chance in European competitions by entering a "dedicated champions' path" in Europa League qualification. Previously there was no second chance on offer to these teams. [not strictly true as they did have a second chance when eliminated from CLQ2 and the playoff]
http://en.as.com/en/2016/12/09/footb...03_008421.html
So yea if im reading Bert correctly the current CLQ2 basically becomes CLQ1 with a tiny CLPR with 4 clubs. meaning to get to the CL group stages Dundalk would need to win 4 ties (rather than the current 3)...
Also this new dedicated route seems to mean that a club has to win 3 games (out of 4) rather than the current two (out of 3) to get into the EL...
Last edited by sparky12345678; 01/07/2017 at 10:02 AM.
@Sparky - I think your looking at it the wrong way. The way I read it is that the LoI champions will be starting a round earlier in CLQ1. The CL preliminary round is new to help reduce the number of lower league champions making the group stage. The current CLQ2 will still exist, it's just many more will be starting a round earlier.
The champions path to the Europa League is new alright, guaranteeing as well that all domestic champions will get at least two rounds of European competition. A reasonable compromise for changes being made.
https://foot.ie/forums/117-Kerry-FC
A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
Opportunity lost for new clubs/regions to join the LoI family.
Yea i dno its just that CLQ1 basically has all the teams from the current CLQ2 (in 2013 the CLQ1 also only had 4 teams). If we go back to 2008 we see a similar CLQ1 to the upcoming one but only 3 Qualifying rounds. Now its 4 + 2PR ties?
Def a decent compromise just that either way it adds another tie to navigate. It would be great to see irish clubs becoming a bit more consistent but its gona be tough if we are always unseeded and cant develop the scene domestically etc...
Someone did a speadhseet for next year using these years teams, might give you some ideas..........
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=782174216
(edit Cork and their ten year co efficient is 2.690
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert...nk10-2018.html
can use it with the above link for some fun!)
UEFA will be happy that people are viewing it like that, taking away the spotlight from the extra hurdle lower European league champions have to go through.
When next year's CLQ1 has all the teams from the current CLQ2 it's because they are all starting a round earlier. It means less teams in CLQ2, subsequently less teams in CLQ3, subsequently less teams in the CL Champions Route play-offs and finally less league champions from Europe's lower leagues in the Champions League group stage.
The big European clubs will be pushing for the Champions League to reduce to 24 without affecting their allocation. We'll be seeing CLQ1 teams moving to CL preliminary round and possibly more discussion around a third European competition. With all domestic champions having a Europa League safety net, any re-evaluation of the merits of a third competition will probably focus on clubs not making the Europa League group stage.
https://foot.ie/forums/117-Kerry-FC
A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
Opportunity lost for new clubs/regions to join the LoI family.
Highlights from Shamrock Rovers' 1-0 win over Stjarnan:
Looks like another potential sell out at the Cross on Thursday. The 70% figure mentioned here would indicate that close to 5,000 tickets have already been sold.
http://www.corkcityfc.ie/home/2017/0...e-recommended/
Great to see, Was up in Oriel earlier picking up a jersey and less than 100 tickets left for Oriel next Wednesday aswell (I know we only have 3300 Capacity but still)
How do you buy the tickets once they go on general sale ? There's nothing on the website to say how you actually get them - e.g. online, by phone, in-person etc.
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