Richie Sadlier on Second Captains

[Philosophizer]

Was Sadlier bullied during his time in the LOI or something? He certainly seem to have a gripe because any time he speaks about the LOI these day he's a total anti LOI moan-bag!

[Mr A]

Not sure it's just about the LOI, he seems to be a whinging git in general.

[Straightstory]

Dunphy on TV after the Ireland game last night was full of praise for the way Dundalk play - which was nice. Talk turned to whether any Dundalk players would be good enough to play for Ireland. Some quick discussion about Dundalk's strength being a 'team', and probably not having individuals good enough make the international side. (Horgan not mentioned). Got the impression Richie was going to be very dismissive about any Dundalk players being selected, but then the discussion moved on (probably back to how dreadfully Ireland had played).
It's difficult for Sadlier replacing Giles on the panel. He's much younger than the other two and seems to be in somewhat a dilemma about how much he should assert himself. Generally, I think he just needs to lighten up a bit and not seek to be controversial. He'll probably 'ease into it' over time.

[Mr A]

Nothing Dunphy says means anything. He a parasite only interested in getting attention and making a lot of money slagging off Irish football.

[White Horse]

Nothing Dunphy says means anything. He a parasite only interested in getting attention and making a lot of money slagging off Irish football.

True, but normally the LOI is an irrelevance on these panels. It is nice that we are no longer invisible.

[disgruntled]

Isnt that what does or is supposed to happen to benefit all the clubs involved in a players development with such a system of training compensation in place?

A change in mindset wouldnt go amiss by 'local' clubs also. They should view themselves as part of a pathway in player development in co-operation with senior clubs, not work against them, despite of them or to spite them as I have seen happen myself. The player should come first and should not be a pawn between egos or historical issues or disagreements between the different levels of the coaching structures. Young players should be allowed aspire to get to the top of the game but not be deemed a failure if a transfer straight to Man Utd doesnt materialise - there is a route for players in the domestic game here too as we know. There are many schoolboy coaches that pour scorn on League of Ireland clubs coaching players, maybe the coaching itself is not very different and it shouldnt be if coaches follow the methods set out when doing coaching badges, but there is at minimum the chance to interact with older pros who have been abroad and back, or who have carved out successful careers in LoI. There are greater benefits to having access to LoI level coaching from U13 ON no matter how well intended kids parents ARE when trying to 'encourage' and ignore what may be on offer in their area. But aside from coaching benefits that young players could have access to it is a shame to hear the credibility and contribution LoI makes to football in this country often derided before a local club coach has even spoken in any way to the coaching staff at a senior club. Rivalry, the 'what would they know' attitude, almost territorial claims made on players against a club that represents a region. It wasnt always done well in the past but that is no reason for any coach to be an obstruction to a young players general development over quite often petty gripes from decades previous. It happens far to often still imo and there is no shortage of resistance to the introduction of lower age groups for LoI clubs. If we could get something between U19s and senior going properly we will be well on the way to doing thing a lot better. Ok I have been working all night and maybe this is a meaningless ramble but demonising LoI or the FAI with this initiative is short sighted and self serving to quite a few wannabe Mourhinos or whomever!

I think the present compensation system covers only the transfer of players up to the age of 23.
After that there's nothing to the schoolboy club as I know it even though that player might be further transferred for multiplies of the original transfer fee. Players often only reach their full potential in their late twenties.
What I had in mind was that every time a player is transferred throughout his career a percentage of the fee would trickle down through the LOI club to the schoolboy club.
This could mean a windfall to the schoolboy club many times more that they originally received.
This would also incentivise the schoolboy club to make sure players went through a LOI club because it might mean many times the fee they would receive if they sold off (pimped) a schoolboy to a UK club at 15 years of age etc.

This would mean a change to Fifa's Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players which would take forever to force through.
There are multiple rules within this document to protect the transfer of minors but people have found ways around most of them including entire families moving to another country so that their pride & joy could go to the academies of large clubs.
I seem to remember a Dublin family moving to Spain some years ago so their little kid could join Barcelona.
Wonder what happened to that kid ?

In the meantime the quickest way would be an increase in the training compensation that a schoolboy club receives when a player is transferred through a LOI club. At least make the amount equal to what the schoolboy clubs receive when they send their budding Ronaldo's over at present.
It must be made more profitable to send players through the LOI system than sending them over directly.

[JC_GUFC]

Like everything with Richie Sadlier I think hes overly critical and negative. The points he made were fine but I think the majority of fans aren't as extreme as he makes it seem.

Agree with that. He was directly asked what the crowd was like at the Cork cup game but even though it was probably the biggest crowd in Richmond for a number of years he didn't answer it, as if it didn't suit his agenda.

I like him as an analyst and his points on SC were fair enough but there are plenty of positives about the league too.

[TonyD]

True, but normally the LOI is an irrelevance on these panels. It is nice that we are no longer invisible.

Exactly. It's nice to see a bit of recognition. Small steps but it all helps.

[legendz]

Walter Murphy, the Manchester United scout who brought Robbie Brady from Kevin’s to Old Trafford, was in Clonmel yesterday. He wouldn’t be drawn on the politics, but admitted the players he was watching aren’t getting enough coaching hours at the moment.

Brighton scout PJ Quirke agreed and feels the U15 League is a solid plan. “In my opinion, at U15 it’s a good thing. But the major clubs in Dublin don’t want it because they will lose players at 13.” Unlike with the other political impasse hogging the headlines, at least with football the good work continues regardless.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...hs-392504.html

What's the obsession with Sadlier? I don't rate him as an analyst. I remember one time himself and Kenny Cunningham were analysts. Sadlier visibly shied away from some talking points and Cunningham dominated.

Sadlier was quick to talk up Brighton in that podcast. Let him react to Brighton's scout agreeing with the LoI U15 league.

[Philosophizer]

What's the obsession with Sadlier? .

Believe it or not those Rte panelists have a massive influence over the general public opinion on football in this country.

If sadlier is consistently ripping on our league in the media it certainly doesn't help our league grow and attract casual footy fans to take an interest in the league.

[Philosophizer]

Ive no problem with him highlighting problems in the LoI (of which there are too many to list) if it's in the context of a balanced discussion, bit with sadlier it's just bitch, moan, whine.

[disgruntled]

Ive no problem with him highlighting problems in the LoI (of which there are too many to list) if it's in the context of a balanced discussion, bit with sadlier it's just bitch, moan, whine.

Maybe there aren't enough good points about the League of Ireland to make it a balanced discussion ?
Yes there are many good things happening in the LOI but these are largely over shadowed by the constant problems involving the league & some of the individuals operating in it.
Having followed the LOI for a long long time there are often times when I find it hard to defend some of the things that go in the LOI.
There's never a week goes by without something ugly rearing its head.

[GUFCghost]

Maybe there aren't enough good points about the League of Ireland to make it a balanced discussion ?
Yes there are many good things happening in the LOI but these are largely over shadowed by the constant problems involving the league & some of the individuals operating in it.
Having followed the LOI for a long long time there are often times when I find it hard to defend some of the things that go in the LOI.
There's never a week goes by without something ugly rearing its head.

What the league needs above all other things is two or three years where the **** doesn't hit the fans,or alternatively,the **** hits the fans in as private a setting as possible. With a bit of leadership this should be possible,the LOI has possibly a more admirable volunteer base than the GAA,the problem is that those volunteers don't have anyone to guide them.

What's the story with the PCA these days? That sounds like a very positive development

[disgruntled]

What the league needs above all other things is two or three years where the **** doesn't hit the fans,or alternatively,the **** hits the fans in as private a setting as possible. With a bit of leadership this should be possible,the LOI has possibly a more admirable volunteer base than the GAA,the problem is that those volunteers don't have anyone to guide them.

What's the story with the PCA these days? That sounds like a very positive development

Seems to have gone very quiet again since the 5k was announced & as usual some clubs had to throw a spat.
Some of the FAI blazers must be delighted.
It would be very positive if the clubs would learn to keep their mouths shut.
Do the talking within the PCA & then speak as one voice.