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    Quote Originally Posted by brendy_éire View Post
    The table doesn't lie!
    Can't argue with that.

    The emphatic early pace setters and table toppers Limerick FC are set to take on title rivals Derry City in the top of the table 6 pointer that could decide the destiny of the league trophy.

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    Agree about him being good manager, very strange how he makes head scratching comments. Maybe public speak is not his thing. I miss some of the great characters like Dolan, Devlin, etc. Confident guys who knew how to play to the camera/ microphone

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    League needs characters, (players managers and referees) it's not as if the football quality is spellbinding, we need value for our buck..
    Even Stuart Taylor was interesting to watch , blaming everyone and playing to the crowd when your team were not doing their job so well. Football management is a great gig. We've had some chancers here coming in to manage for a few seasons and leaving with big payoffs cos boards believed their tripe and gave them long contracts.

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    'Kilmarnock's League Cup: Kenny Shiels unbowed at Derry City by trail of grief': http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39556874

    Quote Originally Posted by Liam McLeod
    Kenny Shiels is a football manager. Yet, over the years, he has become something of a grief councillor. Five years ago, Shiels - currently in charge of Derry City in the League of Ireland's top flight - memorably led Kilmarnock to trophy glory. But the joy felt by the manager and his team was given the most sobering of perspectives when one of his players, Liam Kelly, accompanied his stricken father to hospital instead of celebrating the club's first Scottish League Cup victory.

    The midfielder's dad suffered a fatal heart attack and Shiels spent the subsequent days and weeks leading the Killie players - and Kelly in particular - through the darkness. Tragedy is something that Shiels has grown accustomed to handling. He has had to.

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    Derry City manager Kenny Shiels has praised League of Ireland leaders Cork City ahead of Friday's league clash but says they are a 'long ball' team.
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40374203?

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    Bodes well for tomorrow as it's clear he hasn't been watching us this season.

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    The man is a genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado View Post
    Wonder what he thinks now

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    Quote Originally Posted by disgruntled View Post
    Wonder what he thinks now
    Same as he always does: whatever the drug addled insanity fairies in his head tell him to.
    #NeverStopNotGivingUp

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    I rarely bother listening to the post match Manager interviews on Soccer Republic. He would be the exception. You just never know what he's going to say next.

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    Apparently the ref gave them nothing last night. He should have booked Harry Monaghan in the first few minutes for a professional foul on the half way line, and then Monaghan did get booked a few minutes later for a foul around the box.
    At one point one of their lads went through Keohane and was given a free kick. Plus countless times Seani could have been given frees and wasn't. Of the ones near us I'd say most were fair, but there were a few he could have given.
    Hes great value is Kenny.

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    Kenny Shiels rant thread

    http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/fo...eans-1-8167150

    The latest deflection rant from Mr Shiels.

    Has he a point??

    Clubs paying more than they can afford isn't exactly new to LOI, or most leagues in fairness. Doesn't make it right though.

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    His chairman puts in massive money every year. While he has a point about Bray, he is also spending plenty where he is- that's why they can offer young players full time football which help with the development he is so fond of mentioning. Will dig out the original thread and merge these BTW.
    #NeverStopNotGivingUp

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    He may have a point, but he'd need to look closer to home before going on such a rant.
    https://kesslereffect.bandcamp.com/album/kepler - New music. It's not that bad.

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    What can be done about it really. Does anybody thinks the licensing process means anything any more?

    The worst offenders will eventually suffer, be it relegation or even bankruptcy.

    And with the FAI seemingly willing to let new debt-free clubs form and then just become the old club again, the suffering might not even be that long-lasting.

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    That is a key point. If licensing does not at least try to prevent clubs from walking away from debt and restarting- what is the point of it? Mostly it seems to be a tool to pressure the clubs who're making some effort to do things right to be better, while the complete basket cases carry on regardless because we're already short of clubs and the league needs them.
    #NeverStopNotGivingUp

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    He mentions Financial Fair Play, but my understanding is that (a) it doesn't apply to clubs as small as the LoI, and (b) it mainly concerns losses. So even if FFP applied here, which it doesn't, the FAI get around it by requiring investors to put money into their clubs by way of income, not loans. At I think that's fair; at least that way, the loan can't be called in (in theory anyway; hello Wexford).

    Obviously there's issues though when Waterford and Wexford can seemingly just restart with no penalty.

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    I think the point is more that clubs, Bray in this case, can outbid other clubs on wages, then turn round and declare that they can't guarantee to pay the wages.
    Bray have openly stated that they can pay wages until the end of the season, but we'll assume not beyond that, regardless of the length of contract.
    If McCabe, as an example, was offered €1,000 a week for a two years at Bray, or €800 a week for two years at Derry, it's obvious where he'd choose.
    With the benefit of hindsight though, would have chosen the Derry option, knowing (fingers crossed!) he'll have two years steady wages?

    Many clubs rely on donations to get by. It's far from ideal, but that's the way it is.
    The issue is when donors can't/won't follow through on their commitments. There doesn't appear to be any form of punishment for a club not fulfilling its employment contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brendy_éire View Post
    I think the point is more that clubs, Bray in this case, can outbid other clubs on wages, then turn round and declare that they can't guarantee to pay the wages.
    How can you stop it from happening though?

    I know in Limerick's case, we were asked to deposit a certain amount in an account, to prove that the money was actually there - could this be made standard policy?

    Is there much of a difference between Derry and Limerick, compared to Bray, other than our money men didn't stop (or threaten to stop) putting in money during the season?

    We can laugh at the FAI and licensing...but if the FAI really did implement a proper licensing policy, and started really punishing or excluding clubs for breaching policy/failure to meet the standards, there'd probably be no league left.

    Most clubs barely get by on whatever they can scrape together, however they can scrape it together.

    Neither the clubs or the FAI are in much of a position to ask too many probing questions about where the money comes from.
    Last edited by osarusan; 27/09/2017 at 4:05 PM.

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    An article about Bray in the latest issue of When Saturday Comes' magazine sums the whole problem up nicely :

    "Most clubs pay more to the FAI in fees every year than they receive back in prize money. And the pay of the Association's Chief Executive exceeds the total prize money given to Irish football every year. As a result, new applicants have evaporated and two league places have sat unfilled since 2011-12. For an ambitious non-league club, joining the League of Ireland would mean signing up to financial suicide and institutional neglect".

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