QuoteYeah it's getting quite annoying alright. It's hard to argue with them though as their criteria for notability involves having played in a fully professional league.
Guys there is a bit of a ding dong battle going on over at wikipedia with regards the general notability of Irish players and more specifically players who participate in the FAI League of Ireland.
Basically players are automatically notable if they play in a professional league. At the moment the "heads" over at the football project on wikipedia do not consider players in the Irish league notable and have been trying to get their articles deleted. Recent articles which have been up for deletion are those for -
Seamus Coleman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...A9amus_Coleman
Tony Moore (Bohs player from the 20's and 30's) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...ish_footballer)
And Shamrock Rovers player Danny O'Connor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...or_(footballer)
However, it is relatively easy to defend players notability if they have played more recently because there will be plenty of stuff on the internet. However, it gets a lot more difficult to source information to prove players notability if they played pre circa 1995. Hence the reason I am here.
at the moment there is a discussion regarding mass deletion of LoI players including
Former Sligo Rovers, Bohs and Harps player - Liam Patton
Former Athlone, Monaghan and Bohs player - Alan Kinsella
Former Sligo Rovers and Bohs - Andy Brady
Former Longford Town players - Paul McNally
Former Limerick and Bohs players Marcus Tuite
and former Drogheda United, Bohemian F.C., Monaghan United F.C. and Bray Wanderers A.F.C
Here is the link to the discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...on/Liam_Patton
What I am looking for is people with information on the players or someone who knows about the players and can add to the articles to improve them.
Feel free to register an account and leave your own opinion whether that agrees with mine or not that doesnt really matter - the more input the better.
Thanks for your time.
Yeah it's getting quite annoying alright. It's hard to argue with them though as their criteria for notability involves having played in a fully professional league.
"If you don't work harder I'll pull you off at halftime,"
“Crikey, at Manchester City all we get is an orange and a cup of tea,"
Yet there is articles on English players back in the 20s and 30s even though it wasn't fully pro back then.
If I was you I would register an account on wikipedia - its free and only takes second - and voice that opinion.Originally Posted by Infadel
Yet there is articles on English players back in the 20s and 30s even though it wasn't fully pro back then
I cant stress this enough - we need bodies over there to improve Irish football articles. It costs nothing and only takes seconds to register an account and get started.
AFAIK Danny O Connor is no longer involved in the League of Ireland.
he doesnt need to be. Ian Rush no longer plays for Liverpool but he is still a notable Liverpool player - if you get my meaning.
Sorry I'm with you now
I'll sign up and try and help.
well I am not trying to canvas votes either way per se, Although if you have an opinion please feel free to share it.
What I am trying to do is to get people to register at wikipedia and to improve the articles, add sources of information and generally get active in wikipedia.
Apparently a page for Rafael Cretaro keeps getting deleted because hes never played in a fully professional team, yet alot of players havent even played in a fully professional league and have pages for them.
Coleman for Ireland
Added a page for Craid Duggan for City-will add pages for Pat Sul and Timmy Kiely soon. Need to get DOB, apperances and former club info though. Anyone any help on Pat Sul's former club info and the timeline for them?
I know Pat Sul spent a full season with us before he came to ye. He was at Drogheda Utd for two seasons previously but couldnt play enough games due to injury. he started his career at ucd not sure how long he was at college !
Gary Cronin is he the right man to manage Longford Town?
I'm getting mightily sick of the Wikipedia deletion wars. It's rid me of any urge to contribute to the damned thing. It's chipped away at the genuinely encyclopaedic nature of the site and at the community spirit which built it.
The code to make a wiki is open source. The material on the site is copyleft. Would anyone be able to set up an LoI specific one up so we could port the league material from wikipedia to somewhere we can trust to understand the value of the project? Dahamsta seems a logical candidate, but we can't presume.
95 games, 4 goals. Played right back mainly, sometimes right mid, and at least once in centre mid. I can't remember the seasons, but he was around for our second most recent relegation, though I think he may have left that season.
Good idea. But it looks like it'd have to be done fast.I'm getting mightily sick of the Wikipedia deletion wars. It's rid me of any urge to contribute to the damned thing. It's chipped away at the genuinely encyclopaedic nature of the site and at the community spirit which built it.
The code to make a wiki is open source. The material on the site is copyleft. Would anyone be able to set up an LoI specific one up so we could port the league material from wikipedia to somewhere we can trust to understand the value of the project? Dahamsta seems a logical candidate, but we can't presume.
But thats just not true - they keep shoving that down your throat but the wording of the guideline is LEVEL, no mention of entire league. Besides it's not even a rule, it's a wikipedia guideline, which the documentation on the wiki says is open to exceptions.
There is two ways to beat them.
1. Jam-pack your articles with lots of sources and references to news, articles, profiles on the player, this will prove general notability, which overrides athletic notability.
2. Continue to point out that WP:ATH say "professional level" there is no mention that the entire League has to be fully professional, which is nonsense and completely un-workable as teams move up and down and go in and out of professionalism.
They keep deleting my articles too, even deleted hattrick hero Dean Barrett
2001-2004, if memory serves. Scored the goal in Cobh which sealed promotion.
Thanks very much Stu-much appreciated!
Check out STIGonline.com for more exact details, by the way. In the UCD tab, there's line-ups (in Excel format) for most of our games from 2001 to 2007, and a fair few other games going back to 1979 as well.
Has anybody thought about asking Gareth on extratime.ie to create interviews and articles on players up for deletion as sources? I'm sure if people have the time (& contact details for the players!) he'd consider it. It would be a way of breaking this deletion arguement, they're using the often tight-nit community of wiki-editors, so why don't we use the even tighter group of Irish football online media?
Hi all,
If anyone is trying to prevent the deletion of a League Of Ireland player on wikipedia-could they add the player name to this page so we can build up a list of players?
Cheers,
Joseph.
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