QuoteStokes starts for Celtic at Parkhead tonight, but so far Legia looking stronger.
Legia have had to play the same amount.Originally Posted by bennocelt
Stokes starts for Celtic at Parkhead tonight, but so far Legia looking stronger.
Hard to believe Pats could have won there.
I retain my belief that Legia are actually a bit rubbish.
What I said a week ago still stands.
And as Legia and their fascist fans will soon find out, beating Celtic currently is no indicator of 'quality'.
And Celtic are rubisher
Re Celtic I think this shows that without regularly facing a strong Rangers in competitive football they have become used to winning without getting out of 2nd or 3rd gear. Then they can not up their game when it come to European football
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Looks like Celtic might get another free pass: http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comme...igible_player/
That's madness.
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BBC on it now: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28693855
Only linked to reddit because the source was Polish.
Seems like the Debrecen precedent will lead to a fine, but not an expulsion.
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As far as I can make out, direct expulsion is not a punishment applicable to cases of clubs fielding either ineligible or suspended players. A match being declared forfeit may have the consequence of knocking a team out of a tournament, of course.
I'd also thought Legia might have had a lifeline due to the apparent precedent, but the Debrecen case centred around a player who had been ineligible to play for them; the punishment for fielding an ineligible player "may" be a match being declared forfeit (a 3-0 loss to the offending team or the actual result remaining if less favourable to them). That leaves room for other forms of punishment, including fines, evidently.
Article 21.2 covers cases of clubs fielding suspended players, as was the case with Legia's Bereszyński: http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/...9_DOWNLOAD.pdf
It is very clear, with seemingly no room for any appeal or manoeuvering by Legia.
If the rules are adhered to, Celtic will be awarded a 3-0 victory in that match and will progress 4-4 on aggregate with a little help from the away goals rule.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 08/08/2014 at 1:31 AM.
What's different from Legia pleading "in good faith"? He played for 2 minutes of a tie that seemingly for everyone concerned was over.
UEFA will be very careful with making this decision and let's make it clear as far as three match bans go, he was banned for the Pats 2 legs and the first Celtic leg. Boom. Three games.
Unless he played against Pats or in the first Celtic leg?
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I said this on the thread in the LOI forum already, but seemingly it's not as simple as just counting 3 games and then a player is free to play again - he has to be registered for the tie/competition (not sure which) in order for these games to count as part of his ban being served.
Something very similar happened a couple of years ago:
http://www.uefa.org/disciplinary/new...d=1845491.htmlND Mura 05 have been awarded a 3-0 win in their UEFA Europa League third qualifying round first leg against FC Arsenal Kyiv after the Ukrainian team fielded an ineligible player.
Last Thursday's opener ended in a 3-0 win for the home side, but UEFA's Control and Disciplinary Body ruled that the result should be a 3-0 victory for Slovenian visitors Mura because Arsenal Kyiv's Eric Matoukou, the scorer of the third goal, was serving the second game of a two-match suspension.
Matoukou had been handed a two-match ban after receiving a red card while playing for KRC Genk in a UEFA Europa League qualifier against FC Porto on 19 August 2010.
The Cameroonian international sat out the second leg of that tie in Portugal but, having not been registered for UEFA competition by Genk in 2011/12, had not served the second part of his suspension before taking to the field last week.
With the first-leg result having been forfeited, Mura will be defending a 3-0 lead when the tie concludes in Slovenia on Thursday. In addition, Matoukou has now been banned for two matches, the first being the upcoming second leg. An appeal can be lodged against this decision within three days of the dispatch of the written decision.
so even though that player had transferred from Genk to Arsenal Kyiv, he still hadn't finished serving a ban from two seasons earlier. Genk actually played in the CL group stages in 2011-12, but he wasn't registered for the tournament so it didn't count towards serving his suspension.
From reading that, if Legia hadn't registered the player (because he was suspended and couldn't play), then the games can't be counted towards his ban.
But, if the player was registered for the competition including the tie against Pats (and Celtic, obviously), then Legia should be ok...maybe?
I don't know how registration for these tournaments works. Is there a registration process for each tie? The CL runs across transfer windows so there must be some flexibility with squad registration during a tournament, but I don't know whether it happens for each qualifying round or not.
Last edited by osarusan; 08/08/2014 at 4:15 AM.
It would seem like a common-sense approach, but the applicable rule for the fielding of suspended players appears to be unequivocal. The rule relating to playing an ineligible player would have left leeway for Legia to plead "in good faith", just like Debrecen had a few years ago, had Bereszyński been ineligible.
I've read on the BBC that Celtic would be seeded for the play-off round draw if re-instated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28693855
Legia would be in the unseeded pot for the draw though. Does this mean UEFA will be forced to make a decision on this before the draw? The draw is just over an hour away this morning, isn't it?
Yeah, he wasn't registered for the Pats games, and therefore they didn't count.
From the link in Danny's post:
The mix-up by Legia lies in the exclusion of Bereszynski from their squad for the two second qualifying round matches with St Patrick's Athletic earlier in the competition.
The player was due to serve a three-match suspension after a red card in the UEFA Europa League last term and Legia believed his absence from the two games, as well as the first leg against Celtic, cleared him to play in Scotland.
However Bereszynski was not included on Legia's squad list submitted to UEFA for the St Patrick's Athletic games.
What would have happened had Legia won the first leg 3-0?
And what happens with bookies who'll have already paid out on a 2-0 Legia win in Murrayfield? They just gotta accept their losses?
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Accepting their losses wouldn't be so bad, but do they also have to pay out to everybody that backed Celtic to win, win 3-0, win with handicap, etc, etc?
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