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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    he won the ball. No foul, no free kick, no discussion required.
    Actually this is the best validation I could hope for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    I couldn't have asked for greater validation that hansen disagreeing with me

    I wonder have TV bosses noticed how everyone who watches football on TV racves about Gary Neville's analysis. its because he's actually played the modern game and isn't harping back to his old glory days like the rest of the fools (Shearer is the antithesis to this argument but he's just a clown...)
    He just needs to criticise Man U when it needs to be said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    The refs are told what offences go with cards, and they're told to apply them.

    As for Johno last night, he won the ball. No foul, no free kick, no discussion required.
    kompany last sunday won the ball only difference is ref thought it was a foul and sent him off.. the discussion is what if johnson had not won the ball when he tackled with 2 feet !!

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    If he had not won the ball, or the ref didn't think he did, then the situation would be different. He did win the ball, and the ref agreed, so there's nothing more to say.

    Sorry for stating the obvious, but this is a non-issue.
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    eh, the whole point is that winning the ball does not in itself mean it was a fair tackle. Much discussion required.

    Spurs' third (or second?) goal against Rovers at WHL started with a 2 footed lunge by Kaboul (?) that won the ball but was a really nasty effort at a tackle and a definite foul and card in my opinion.

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    If he won the ball, it's play on. From what I saw at the time, it didn't look like he won the ball, and so therefore it should have been a free kick.

    Football is a contact sport. You're not supposed to tackle with two feet, but if you win the ball, no-one can complain. That's what you tackle a player for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post

    Football is a contact sport. You're not supposed to tackle with two feet, but if you win the ball, no-one can complain. That's what you tackle a player for.
    well if the player getting tackled gets his leg broken I'd beg to differ. The ref has to make the call as to whether he deems the tackle to be serious foul play i.e. dangers safety of player. If it does then it's a red. Players launching themselves like missiles at the player/ball are only asking for trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    If he won the ball, it's play on. From what I saw at the time, it didn't look like he won the ball, and so therefore it should have been a free kick.

    Football is a contact sport. You're not supposed to tackle with two feet, but if you win the ball, no-one can complain. That's what you tackle a player for.
    And it's a striker's job to score goals, and if handles into the net, then no one can complain, that's what he's there to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
    well if the player getting tackled gets his leg broken I'd beg to differ. The ref has to make the call as to whether he deems the tackle to be serious foul play i.e. dangers safety of player. If it does then it's a red. Players launching themselves like missiles at the player/ball are only asking for trouble.
    A player can break his leg at any time, tackle or no tackle. Tackles won are allowed in football. Tackles lost can be, and are punished.

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    And it's a striker's job to score goals, and if handles into the net, then no one can complain, that's what he's there to do
    Yes they can complain, as he's not there to score with a handball. That's GAA, not football.
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    I thought your argument was that the restult was the only thing that matters? If he wins the ball its not a foul is the same as if he scores a goal its not handball
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    If you can't see the difference between what a legal action in football is and what isn't, then I can't really explain it much further.
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    And if you can't see how some tackles that may win the ball are illegal, then blah blah
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    But they are not illegal, that's the point of the whole thread.
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    I think the whole point of the thread may now revolve around you.

    Yes, they are illegal.

    Though I'm surprised why people bother to try argue stuff with mypost anymore. If he gets it into his head that the earth is some manner of tetrahedron shape, wild horses wouldn't bring him to change his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    If you can't see the difference between what a legal action in football is and what isn't, then I can't really explain it much further.
    If you can't see that winning the ball does not automatically mean the tackle is legal, then there's no point explaining it much further.

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    Well quite. FIFA & co want to turn turn the whole thing into a non-contact sport, despite what mp says. And have some sympathy with him here.
    Clearly many of his detractors have never played the game and seen what passes for tackles in various forms of amateur football, never mind the EPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    And if you can't see how some tackles that may win the ball are illegal, then blah blah
    Actually I'm sorta with mypost in this.
    The first (Kompany's) was 2 footed tackle to win the ball, the second (Johnson's) was a 2 footed lunge to win the ball, the 2nd was not a tackle as the other player had no control of the ball. The ball was in "free space".
    In that situation, afaia, the ref has to differentiate between serious foul play to win the ball or dangerous play to win the ball or was it clean. Possibly it was dangerous but not serious, because there was no contact with the other player.

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    Except, if they think it's 'dangerous' now (without intent), out comes the red...

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    Seeing as Johnson's 2 footed effort was an attempt to win the ball, no other player was in possession of the ball, it was not a tackle to win the ball from another player. The refs have a different interpretation of a 2 footed tackle to win the ball from a player as distinct from a 2 footed attempt to win the ball that is in free space.

    According to the rule book,
    serious foul play to win the ball is dangerous play with physical contact (reckless).
    Dangerous play to win the ball, is of course dangerous play (careless) but without the physical contact.
    The ref made the correct decision re Johnson

    Disciplinary sanctions
    If a player plays in a dangerous manner in a “normal” challenge, thereferee should not take any disciplinary action. If the action is made with obvious risk of injury, the referee should caution the player

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    I think this tackle is made with an obvious risk of injury. How many times have you seen a leg broken from a tackle like this? (Go to 1:20)


    Therefore the ref made the wrong decision re Johnson (by letting play go on).

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