Jack Grealish

[tricky_colour]

Another bit here

http://www.sportsmed.theclinics.com/article/S0278-5919%2805%2970117-4/abstract

The role of shin guards in protecting against fractures has yet to be determined. In one report, the circumstances surrounding 31 athletes who sustained a fracture of the lower leg from a direct blow while playing soccer were reviewed.

2 The majority of fractures occurred while the athletes were wearing shin guards.

That may suggest you are more likely to get a fracture whilst wearing shin pads, howver I guess most were wearing shin
pads, however it does not say, hence not of much use really lol.

However if shin guards only really protect you from minor cuts and bruises whilst inviting more robust
tackles they may actually be doing more harm than good.

[the doc]

Grealish got taken out 3 times by Hull players earlier after coming on as sub...

Grealish goes down quicker than a Dublin Barmaid after closing time!

Here we go again, more hype about a player most on here haven't seen play live or over a number of games.

This sounds like the same masses who were heralding McClean after a good run of games at Sunderland.

You'd of thought Pele was coming on at the Aviva such was the crowds reaction.

Then reality struck in!

Grealish by all accounts wants to play for England, if he plays for us then great, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Lots of young players start off well.

[Stuttgart88]

We should introduce a new forum rule. No discussion of young players, especially ones who are highly regarded by people like Roy Keane, until they have scored 15 international goals and have 4 children.

[the doc]

We should introduce a new forum rule. No discussion of young players, especially ones who are highly regarded by people like Roy Keane, until they have scored 15 international goals and have 4 children.

Clark was highly regarded by Dunne and Keane, look how that turned out?

Are you and your mates the only ones allowed an opinion on here?

[DannyInvincible]

Grealish goes down quicker than a Dublin Barmaid after closing time!

All five of those tackles were clear fouls.

Here we go again, more hype about a player most on here haven't seen play live or over a number of games.

What hype? Discussion doesn't always equate to hype. Lots of different players and issues are discussed on here. It's not all hype.

This sounds like the same masses who were heralding McClean after a good run of games at Sunderland.

You'd of thought Pele was coming on at the Aviva such was the crowds reaction.

His good performances at the time and his early taking of the Premier League by storm probably contributed, but that welcome was mostly to do with his decision to switch from the IFA; people saw that he was realising his dream to play for his country. James McCarthy received a similar welcome when he made his senior competitive debut because the media had gotten people into a panic fearing he might switch to Scotland. In both cases, the crowd were delighted that these lads had firmly nailed their colours to the mast and wanted to assure them they were most welcome.

Grealish by all accounts wants to play for England, if he plays for us then great, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

Nobody's getting ahead of themselves. Everyone is aware that not all young players fulfill their alleged potential. Everyone is also well aware of his dual nationality, but there's no certainty that he will play for England even if Hodgson does enter the chase.

Clark was highly regarded by Dunne and Keane, look how that turned out?

Eh? Nobody mentioned Richard Dunne. And Trap was in charge when Clark was first called up. We don't know how Roy Keane rated Clark at the time.

Are you and your mates the only ones allowed an opinion on here?

Is someone stifling your ability to post your opinion?

[DannyInvincible]

They're talking about him on MOTD2 now.

Full snippet here:



They mention his lack of proper shin pads at the end and suggest he'd need to invest in a new pair. You should e-mail them your findings on risk compensation, tricky!

[Stuttgart88]

I hear Keane rated St Ledger and predicted a continuing rise in his club fortunes. Look how that turned out

[tricky_colour]

Full snippet here:



They mention his lack of proper shin pads at the end and suggest he'd need to invest in a new pair. You should e-mail them your findings on risk compensation, tricky!

Maybe I will,.... maybe I will......

Yea maybe I should, they might read it out

I think if you see a player has chunky ship pads on you feel entitled to go in with as much force as possible.

[Closed Account]

I think if you see a player has chunky ship pads on you feel entitled to go in with as much force as possible.

This is not a thing. Nobody checks out the size of a players shinguards to determine how hard they can hit them. Nobody.

[Stuttgart88]

Nor do motorists drive with more care if a cyclist isn't wearing a helmet. I'm an urban cyclist and a motorist.

[liamoo11]

Nor do motorists drive with more care if a cyclist isn't wearing a helmet. I'm an urban cyclist and a motorist.

its like that argument the council use for not providing helmets with the bikes u rent in dublin saying there is no injury prevention benefit

[BonnieShels]

5 times I think 3 of them won yellow cards!! Didn't seem to bother him much, go up
with a smile on his face after a rather crunching body check from Quinn.

Also it seems Grealish wears little or no shin pads and his socks are nearly round his ankles.

This seems a bit mad, but I have been wondering if there is method in the madness.

I am wondering if shin pads actually cause more serious injuries? I expect they give players a false
sense of security, when you have shin pads on you are probably more inclined to got into a crusnching
tackle rather than take evasive action.

It is something called Risk compensation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation

You take more risks because you feel safer. Apparently seat belts in cars caused more deaths of pedestrians
and cyclists because drivers felt safer and hence drove faster and more recklessly.

But cars are a bit different to footballers, you can get a new car if you crash it with the driver surviving, it is bit different
from a footballer, pads only offer limited protection, they may prevent the odd bruise, but you may still end up with a broken
leg. Also if a player can see you have no protective pads they may be less inclined to put in a really reckless tackle?

Also if you feel less protected yourself I expect you will take more care to avoid such tackles in the the first place.




Apologies for introducing such high brow stuff to the forum

Read a great book a few years ago called "Traffic" which is all about risk compensation and the psychology of safety.
http://www.amazon.com/Traffic-Drive-.../dp/0307277194

A similar argument occurred when compulsory helmets were required in Senior hurling a few years ago. And there's the argument in North America in NHL and NFL that the extra safety equipment causes as any injuries.

[tricky_colour]

Nor do motorists drive with more care if a cyclist isn't wearing a helmet. I'm an urban cyclist and a motorist.

The University of Bath would beg to differ!!!

http://www.bath.ac.uk/news/articles/...ing110906.html

He found that drivers were as much as twice as likely to get particularly close to the bicycle when he was wearing the helmet.
Across the board, drivers passed an average of 8.5 cm (3 1/3 inches) closer with the helmet than without

You probably do not notice it.

Having said that, today I was out on my bike (without helmet) and I could not believe how close a car passed next to me!!!

OK it was slowly at a junction but even so, it was crazy, normally I am a bit wobbly at
junctions so there could easily have been a collision, however he was so close there was not enough room
to fall, I would just have been leaning on the car.

[tricky_colour]

This is not a thing. Nobody checks out the size of a players shinguards to determine how hard they can hit them. Nobody.

I think you would, maybe not consciously but I expect you would be less reckless if the players socks were
round his ankles as it would be pretty clear you would be hitting human flesh not hard plastic pads.

[runinglate]

Juan Sebastian Veron esque dare I say.

Hopefully he is willing to move a little bit more.

[Closed Account]

I think you would, maybe not consciously but I expect you would be less reckless if the players socks were
round his ankles as it would be pretty clear you would be hitting human flesh not hard plastic pads.

Maybe some players would. Just seems odd to me. I have hit coloured boot ******* a little harder in a tackle though.

[tricky_colour]

Maybe some players would. Just seems odd to me. I have hit coloured boot ******* a little harder in a tackle though.

I think coloured boots is a different matter, they are a kind of arrogant display saying "I am better than you", that is
basically a red rag to a bull, so I can't say I blame you.

However if everyone has coloured boots the effect is lost. I am just wondering perhaps is Jacks socks
round his ankles had a similar affect? Although that does contradict my original idea somewhat.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think you're getting a bit technical now, tricky. Keep it light, so we simpletons can keep up.

[tricky_colour]

My apologies Was just wondering why he drew so many tackles. The sock round the ankle might have had the same effect as coloured boots.

[Charlie Darwin]

My apologies Was just wondering why he drew so many tackles. The sock round the ankle might have had the same effect as coloured boots.

I accept your apology, but don't do it again. I will accept a small cash donation and the matter will be dropped.

Piece from RTE with Given and Meyler talking about Grealish, while O'Neill comments on him and Noble: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/engli...40794-ireland/