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    For a sec there, I thought you were saying the Telegraph had claimed Daniel O'Donnell as one of their own, but it wasn't to be...

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    Dundee United are reported to be considering Michael O'Neill as a replacement for their current manager who'll be leaving at the end of the season: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21173186

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    You could hardly blame him for leaving.

    Also see our own Rotund Fool is accusing another poster of being me on the CA thread...
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    Brian Kerr into the breach again?
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    Again?

    Lawrie Sanchez would be more likely. Or even a 'left-wing unionist', FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Again?

    Lawrie Sanchez would be more likely. Or even a 'left-wing unionist', FFS.
    I say again in that he's constantly linked with it.

    Agent O'Neill has done well. I think Agent Kerr will take it to the next level.
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    Here's hoping...

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    "‘O’Neill will give players a chance’ - states Lafferty": http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk...erty-1-4683042

    BURNLEY’S Danny Lafferty believes that Northern Irish footballers declaring for the Republic of Ireland could be a thing of the past.

    The former Derry City full back and current international believes that with Northern Ireland you have more of a chance of playing at the highest level.

    “On a personal point of view there is a lot more opportunities with Northern Ireland rather than playing with the Republic of Ireland,” conceded Lafferty.

    “With Michael O’Neill as manager, he will give youth a chance and won’t be afraid to bring them into the squad.”

    The attack minded left-back has now gone on to make two appearances for Northern Ireland coming up against Azerbaijan and powerhouses of international football Holland.

    He has featured at all levels of football for Northern Ireland and is one part of a Londonderry trio – Paddy McCourt and Shane Ferguson - who have featured in recent Northern Ireland squads.

    With a lot of players declaring for the Republic of Ireland in the past and Michael O’Neill recently coming out in the press declaring he doesn’t want any more defections.

    Lafferty believes that the footballers playing options would be limited if they went to play for the Republic of Ireland.

    One of the main features of the Northern Ireland team under Michael O’Neill is the wide selection of players used and considered, with O’Neill scouting and improving his squad selection.

    “In my opinion, the majority that declare for the South are more optimistic than realistic. With the North you’ll be given a chance to play.

    “Michael’s been doing a lot of work in increasing the size of player pool that he has for selection.

    “He has done this through better communications with places like the North West which will no doubt improve and benefit the future campaigns and squads of Northern Ireland.”

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    So it's the opportunity of playing international football rather than a chance of playing for your country is what young guys playing football who were born in Derry/Fermanagh/Tyrone/Antrim/Down/Armagh that should have as their priority?

    Seem's legit.
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    Just saw that Predator mentioned this guy, Shane O'Neill, in the 'U21 VS Holland' thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_O...l_%28soccer%29

    Had never heard of him before. He was born in Cork but has represented the US at under-20 level. Have we ever have a player born in Ireland (excluding those born north of the border) represent another international team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    Just saw that Predator mentioned this guy, Shane O'Neill, in the 'U21 VS Holland' thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_O...l_%28soccer%29

    Had never heard of him before. He was born in Cork but has represented the US at under-20 level. Have we ever have a player born in Ireland (excluding those born north of the border) represent another international team?
    Surely over the years there must have been someone who represented Scotland/Wales/England?

    EDIT: Now I understand the question. Forgeddaboudit.
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    Not England anyway, by the looks of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ide_of_England

    Willie Maley from Newry played for Scotland in 1893: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tside_Scotland

    Anyone heard of a William Harrison? Represented Wales but was Irish, apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tside_of_Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    "‘O’Neill will give players a chance’ - states Lafferty": http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk...erty-1-4683042
    Thank you Danny (Lafferty, not Invincible) for stating the obvious.

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    You're missing the word "bleedin'" there lad.
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    Wonder how soon McLaughlin will regret his decision...

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    Big pity if McLaughlin plays for the north. He's meant to be a big republic fan, but I suppose he's built up friendships in the north's system and doesn't want to let people down or maybe he doesn't want to put his family in any bother by declaring for us. Anyhow, good luck to the lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bungle View Post
    Big pity if McLaughlin plays for the north. He's meant to be a big republic fan, but I suppose he's built up friendships in the north's system and doesn't want to let people down or maybe he doesn't want to put his family in any bother by declaring for us. Anyhow, good luck to the lad.
    His position draws interesting comparisons with someone like Niall McGinn. McGinn is an ROI fan playing for the North. But McGinn's development was mostly in Ireland, whereas McLaughlin's potential is being lauded at one of the (historically) biggest clubs in England. As it stands, McLaughlin is far more likely to win senior caps for Ireland than McGinn was at his age, and probably even is now.

    It's not too late for McLaughlin anyway, as we've seen in the past courtesy of Shane Duffy's switch. But being under Michael O'Neill's wing could sway him to commit to the North.

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    As has been noted previously, O'Neill and the IFA's strategy now has seemingly become one of 'dream-dashing'. In order to persuade those who are currently in and around the FAI set up to switch to the IFA, or those who are considering changing, they must be in constant contact, reminding the player that they are not good enough to achieve their dream.

    "He was torturing me for a wee while to be honest (about switching association), but now I'm going to go see what it's all about." - Shane McEleney

    Both the McEleney brothers had been relatively active at under age level for the FAI, earning a fair few U19 caps between them and one U21 cap for Shane. As far as I understand, they had both been on stand by for the previous U21 campaign and I'm almost certain that Patrick would have been included in the recent U21 squad had he not switched.

    Enter O'Neill, who sells playing for Northern Ireland as a pragmatic choice rather than one of passion. It's a simple, but effective, strategy and one feels that it is arguably what is keeping McLaughlin within the NI set up at present. The OWC used to talk about the seedy FAI supposedly having their 'tongue in the ear' of young so-called nationalist players. Perhaps O'Neill picked up that habit in Dublin with Shamrock Rovers.
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    Noel King tried to persuade McEleney not to switch, so he definitely had future plans for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Predator View Post
    Enter O'Neill, who sells playing for Northern Ireland as a pragmatic choice rather than one of passion. It's a simple, but effective, strategy and one feels that it is arguably what is keeping McLaughlin within the NI set up at present. The OWC used to talk about the seedy FAI supposedly having their 'tongue in the ear' of young so-called nationalist players. Perhaps O'Neill picked up that habit in Dublin with Shamrock Rovers.
    Interesting one that. The issue of identity gets kicked around here quite a lot. It's an interesting one to identify as nationalist but play for NI. Clearly, pragmatism and careerism provide the foundation for the decisions of the McEleney's et al. But is it really possible to identify as nationalist, whilst representing a side that in range of aspects, could be deemed completely at odds with your own beliefs? I've had a few posters jump down my throat when I make inferences like this, because this sort of attitude could be viewed as being contrary to someone's right to an identity.

    If someone is a nationalist and supports Ireland, whilst living in the North, yet pull on the NI jersey, can they really be deemed nationalist? Does the term 'nationalist' not owe a significant degree of it's meaning and significance to the notion of a united Ireland? In which case someone saying their nationalist and pulling on the NI can't be referred to as such, no?

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