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    Yeah and an unlikely treble for Luis Enrique looks an increasing possibility, with a home cup final to come against Bilbao. I'd like to see Juve beat them but it seems unlikely.

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    Rafa B already working his magic at Real... a scoreless draw at Sporting Gigón.

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    Looks like David Moyes will be seeking a new job soon: http://www.the42.ie/deja-vu-david-mo...21357-Nov2015/
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    You don't get much of a chance at Real Madrid. Top of the league or the chop! Not too many great players have made great managers so best of luck to Zidane. He'll need it.
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    This was inevitable from day one really, the only question was whether he'd last until Christmas or not, so in that sense he was a success

    The madness wasn't sacking him, it was appointing him in the first place. It compounded the absolute lunacy of sacking Ancelotti. Ancelotti was everything they should realistically desire... the most successful manager currently active in world football, joint record holder for most European Cups/Champions Leagues with Bob Paisley, plays an attractive brand of football, massages egos and doesn't fall out with players and represents the club in a dignified manner. He won the elusive 'La Decima' Champions League in his first season as well as Copa del Rey. He added the European Super Cup and World Club Cup in his second season, which also included a 22 game record winning streak.

    His biggest crimes -finishing two points behind Barcelona in the league and losing by the odd goal in the Champions League semi final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post

    His biggest crimes -finishing two points behind Barcelona in the league and losing by the odd goal in the Champions League semi final.
    They are mortal sins
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    So it seems... although they gave Mourinho more leeway, sticking by him for a third season despite 'only' winning a La Liga and Copa del Rey in his first two years, in which they didn't make a CL final and even got tanked 5-0 by Barcelona at one point.

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    Good article about Atletico Madrid. Their consistency is incredible really.

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    Gary Neville: no win in 9 games. Will Sky be too embarrassed to take him back after that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    Gary Neville: no win in 9 games. Will Sky be too embarrassed to take him back after that?
    No, Neville will be back in a shot, punditry isn't about the real world. he would just seamlessly drift back into that fantasy world.

    The Neville experience just exemplifies the huge gulf that exists between a distant analysis (no matter how good or entertaining) and the reality of dealing with the same situation, when you can't freeze frame reality, have a look at what's what, observe who should be doing something else and wondering why the player isn't doing what you told him he should be doing, or wondering why you can't effect a change to the player's decision process.

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    So it turns out punditry and management are two totally different things, who'd have thought?! Just because Neville is an excellent analyst, which he clearly is, never meant he'd make a good manager. If understanding the game automatically made you a brilliant manager then why have do so few world class players make a good stab at it? This notion that his punditry won't be taken as seriously now, although possibly true, is ridiculous I think. If Neville had spent the last couple of years criticising managers for not being capable of organising their teams properly, then fair enough, but from what I saw he usually focussed on what the players themselves weren't doing right. I'm sure he's pointed out to his Valencia players what they're doing wrong also, it doesn't mean they'll do it right the next time. The profile of the club, language barrier and his own inexperience were always going to make this a tough one, although in his worst nightmares he could have hardly envisaged it going this badly. Maybe he should have started with Salford City!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    So it turns out punditry and management are two totally different things, who'd have thought?! Just because Neville is an excellent analyst, which he clearly is, never meant he'd make a good manager. If understanding the game automatically made you a brilliant manager then why have do so few world class players make a good stab at it? This notion that his punditry won't be taken as seriously now, although possibly true, is ridiculous I think. If Neville had spent the last couple of years criticising managers for not being capable of organising their teams properly, then fair enough, but from what I saw he usually focussed on what the players themselves weren't doing right. I'm sure he's pointed out to his Valencia players what they're doing wrong also, it doesn't mean they'll do it right the next time. The profile of the club, language barrier and his own inexperience were always going to make this a tough one, although in his worst nightmares he could have hardly envisaged it going this badly. Maybe he should have started with Salford City!
    I don't dissagree with much of that. I was replying to a question from Owls fan and I said his punditry was good and entertaining.

    you ask the rhetorical who'd have thought punditry and management are two totally different things?
    Apparently many people thought he would make the transition to being an effective coach with a huge club.
    Many bought into that separate world of knowledge that punditry exists in, not appreciating that it's totally removed from actual responsibility in the game.
    Neville himself bought into it, a host of other fellow pundits bought into it and Valencia of course. Maybe he could have been the clipboard guy around the club. Carrying around the clipboard for years didn't do Chris Hughton any harm.

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    The last resort of the desperate manager: appealing to the fans and saying how wonderful they are http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/...valencia-fans/

    But we all know football. A few wins in a row and he'll be God's gift to management and be touted for the Man U job
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    Neville is just too desperate to be the nice guy that everybody likes.
    Fergie never gave a damn what others thought about him or his decisions, he just totally believed he was right.
    With haughty Van Gaal, ' you're too stupid to understand what I am doing' 'how could an imbecile like you possibly have a clue about my expertise'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I don't dissagree with much of that. I was replying to a question from Owls fan and I said his punditry was good and entertaining.
    Oh yeah, I was doing the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    you ask the rhetorical who'd have thought punditry and management are two totally different things?
    Apparently many people thought he would make the transition to being an effective coach with a huge club.
    Many bought into that separate world of knowledge that punditry exists in, not appreciating that it's totally removed from actual responsibility in the game.
    Neville himself bought into it, a host of other fellow pundits bought into it and Valencia of course. Maybe he could have been the clipboard guy around the club. Carrying around the clipboard for years didn't do Chris Hughton any harm.
    Fair point. I suppose Neville did have his England coaching on his CV also, being a part of a team with a 100% record in Euro qualifying isn't to be sniffed at either, so it wasn't just his reputation as an analyst. It was always a high-risk appointment though from both sides.

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    Who can tell, but it's not yet out of the question that one day the honour will be bestowed,
    "Arise, Sir Gary".

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    Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and La Liga already over really and we haven't even hit March. Juve's slow start has kept things semi-interesting in Serie A for now. The Premier League is intriguing but for all the wrong reasons barring Leicester's rise.

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    Some other good fights across Europe though (e.g. The Netherlands)

    http://www.espnfc.com/dutch-eredivisie/11/table
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    True, even if it's is more of a Celtic/Rangers type race to the finish line between the country's biggest two clubs. Jack Bryne's crowd are well adrift now unfortunately.

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    Athletico Madrid are great. Saw the last 20 minutes of the game against Real Madrid which they won 0-1. So well organised and very difficult to break down. Having gone yonks without beating their city rivals they now win these games regularly. Great for their fans too and that's why I don't begrudge whatever success which comes round the way of Manchester City, Everton, Sheffield United and Bohs, having had to endure the heartache for generations of their respective bigger city rivals getting all the attention.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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