Hooliganism In Irish Football

**Dunny** · 21/09/2010, 8:05 AM

I'm doing a project on this at the minute. I'm just trying to find some info about past incidents. I know of the scenes outside the Hill 16 pub, the antics in Oriel Park this season with Rovers, Shels fans being attacked on the LUAS. Just looking for some stories or incidents thatt happened in the past it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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**Tony Soprano** · 21/09/2010, 8:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dunny

I'm doing a project on this at the minute. I'm just trying to find some info about past incidents. I know of the scenes outside the Hill 16 pub, the antics in Oriel Park this season with Rovers, Shels fans being attacked on the LUAS. Just looking for some stories or incidents thatt happened in the past it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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does what happened in oriel qualify as proper hooliganism ?

that was just a bunch of scumbags getting rowdy

real hooliganism nowadays is the stuff that happens outisde and away from the grounds, street fights etc, especially the organised and pre planned stuff

**Dunny** · 21/09/2010, 8:36 AM

Well if you look at the definition of Hooliganism it would count, it's not something I would focus on anyway.

(This is NOT anti-Rovers stuff btw, I'm looking for nationwide stuff, not Rovers-Bohs)

**BohsPartisan** · 21/09/2010, 9:20 AM

Slim pickings on that fronnt. Doubt you'll find too many people in the know willing to spill the beans and at any rate.

**Dodge** · 21/09/2010, 9:34 AM

There hasn't been anything major in the past 20 years.

Now in the 70s...

**Dunny** · 21/09/2010, 9:35 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

There hasn't been anything major in the past 20 years.

Now in the 70s...

Any info on any decade would be greatly appreciated.

I should have been clearer I suppose. Over the last 20-30 years would be brilliant and also some recent (even if it's not that major)

**Dodge** · 21/09/2010, 9:37 AM

Everythign that happened happened in Dundalk

**peadar1987** · 21/09/2010, 12:53 PM

Shams fans attacking a perfectly innocent wall at the Carlisle. Disgraceful!

**FrOsTy** · 21/09/2010, 12:56 PM

Hooliganism in Ireland is non existent! Two incidents that can relate to football hooliganism would be the hill 16 incident an the incident involving pats and linfield! Everything else is just a load of drunken teens throwing shapes and shaking fences! You'd be better off doing a project on European or even the rise and fall if British hooligans

**Dodge** · 21/09/2010, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by **FrOsTy**

Hooliganism in Ireland is non existent! Two incidents that can relate to football hooliganism would be the hill 16 incident an the incident involving pats and linfield!

I think you'l find nothing happened between Pats and Linfield.

http://www.stpatsfc.com/news.php?id=2196

**eamo1** · 21/09/2010, 1:43 PM

A mate of mine did a project on what was just mentioned about the rise and fall of British Hooliganism.About how better stadium's with better segregation and policing along with pricing the hooligans out of the grounds worked so well in the top 2 divisions.You still sometimes see it between Millwall,Crystal Palace,Gillingham and a few other London clubs but its mostly gone now.Something similar has happened in Germany too.When doing project's/thesis etc they always say to pick a topic that you have loads of information on,not sure you'll get it on Irish hooliganism but good luck

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**SkStu** · 21/09/2010, 2:47 PM

i posted the following link in the Sligo forum which is an excellent resource from the 70's around some Sligo hard chaws (even if its a little difficult to read). http://www.revleft.com/vb/extracts-s...13/index.html?

also, if i was you i would stick to incidents inside the grounds or outside the grounds but clearly linked to hooliganism. Dont go near the Schooligan rubbish or rubbish like the bar attack in Derry which was one sided. From a Bohs perspective theres the RDS incident v Rovers, Rangers 1984 and Rovers storming the shed, amongst others. Anyone over on the Bohs mb will fill you in on the details if you ask nicely.

If nothing else, check out the link above. I think youll find it useful.

**marinobohs** · 21/09/2010, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by eamo1

A mate of mine did a project on what was just mentioned about the rise and fall of British Hooliganism.About how better stadium's with better segregation and policing along with pricing the hooligans out of the grounds worked so well in the top 2 divisions.You still sometimes see it between Millwall,Crystal Palace,Gillingham and a few other London clubs but its mostly gone now.Something similar has happened in Germany too.When doing project's/thesis etc they always say to pick a topic that you have loads of information on,not sure you'll get it on Irish hooliganism but good luck

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Actually latest view is that hooliganism is having a bit of a revival in Ingerland ! On the back of the hoolie flicks (football factory, green street etc) a new generation are indulging (especially outside the Prem) although it is difficult to be accurate about this as most happens away from the ground due to CCTV, better policing, banning orders etc.
Similarly here in the LOI much of the activity goes on away from the ground (sometimes a long way away) and it is therefore difficult to attribute it to (a) football hooliganism or (B) normal scumbaggery.

best of luck Dunny but first port of call probobly to outline your definition of "football hooliganism" (for the purpose of your paper).

**FrOsTy** · 21/09/2010, 3:38 PM

Anyone up for causing heaps of trouble at games in the next few weeks just so we can give dunny something to write about? Haha

**dfx-** · 21/09/2010, 3:39 PM

Who could forget Twix-gate..

I've never been more disgusted in my life...and I've walked past the Connaught Street end 'toilets' many times..

**SkStu** · 21/09/2010, 3:40 PM

hooligans use the internet and mobile phones to organise fights, dont ya know?

**Mario** · 21/09/2010, 4:42 PM

A chapter on the biggest hooligan in Irish football Ollie Byrne wouldn't go a miss. Ollie attacked refs, fans, managers, other clubs directors over the years and largely got away with it apart from the time he tried it on with Roddy in the tunnel in Tolka

**peadar1987** · 21/09/2010, 4:42 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

i posted the following link in the Sligo forum which is an excellent resource from the 70's around some Sligo hard chaws (even if its a little difficult to read). http://www.revleft.com/vb/extracts-s...13/index.html?

also, if i was you i would stick to incidents inside the grounds or outside the grounds but clearly linked to hooliganism. Dont go near the Schooligan rubbish or rubbish like the bar attack in Derry which was one sided. From a Bohs perspective theres the RDS incident v Rovers, Rangers 1984 and Rovers storming the shed, amongst others. Anyone over on the Bohs mb will fill you in on the details if you ask nicely.

If nothing else, check out the link above. I think youll find it useful.

God, whoever wrote that was a right arse. Having scumbags following your club is nothing to be proud of.

**SkStu** · 21/09/2010, 4:56 PM

yeah people shouldnt write books about bad people.

**SwanVsDalton** · 21/09/2010, 6:32 PM

There was a particularly infamous dust up with Shamrock Rovers fans in '93 (I think, definitely early 90's) in the Brandy. Forgive my sketchy details, I was only 7/8, but got a bit tasty with the Rovers fans, in particular, being a little, eh, frisky. My google searches turned up not much useful but an older poster might be able to shed some light.