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    Nothing to stop Estonia from drawing Italy again, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe_denilson View Post
    I think he was just saying that we are 3rd seeds for the playoffs. (Technically there is only seeded and unseeded).

    But I think you're wrong about the playoff games not counting towards the coefficient. In fact, Playoff matches carry an extra 6,000 points to each team regardless of the result.
    http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...6_DOWNLOAD.pdf

    They don't mention anything about these playoffs not counting.





    Edit: Dammin Frenchie, I'm wrong, you are right:

    Two ways of interpretting that. A) Playoffs aren't taken into consideration in the event of the same coefficient. But that wouldn't make sense because if playoffs are considered then you wouldn't have same coefficient and B) 2012 Playoffs aren't taken into consideration fullstop.

    So our coefficent isn't going to change, and if we qualify, we'll be in Pot 4. Which mighn't be such a bad thing as we might avoid Portugal and France based on that.

    The ammendments at the end do confirm that there is a draw for Home/Away legs by the way:


    Yes I figured playoffs wouldn't count because it would be pretty arbitrary for us to get the benefit of playoff points and thus jump above say Denmark who qualified outright.

    Again, lets get by Estonia but the irrespective of the fact we'll be in pot 4, tha doesn't neccessarily preclude a handy enough group. For example How does Poland, Russia, Denmark and Ireland sound?

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    Or Spain, Germany, France and Ireland?

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    Playoffs do count. See on UEFA.com.

    "The reigning champion Spain will also be top seed, together with the team with the highest national team coefficient ranking, as established at the conclusion of the play-off matches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Playoffs do count. See on UEFA.com.

    "The reigning champion Spain will also be top seed, together with the team with the highest national team coefficient ranking, as established at the conclusion of the play-off matches"
    Ya, figured that out eventually. When they say
    Results from the play-offs referred to in paragraph 7.07 are
    thereby not taken into consideration.
    , what they meant was that if hypothetically Ireland and France finished level(we can't), then only coefficient points from the last campaign, excluding playoffs, are taken into consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Playoffs do count. See on UEFA.com.

    "The reigning champion Spain will also be top seed, together with the team with the highest national team coefficient ranking, as established at the conclusion of the play-off matches"

    Thanks for that Edgar. So what would you reckon realistically is our chances of making the third pot?

    Do we need to rely on both Portugal and Croatia losing their playoff matches or could we still qualify for the third pot, with 2 wins over Estonia, even if both Portugal and Croatia qualify?

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    Quote Originally Posted by French Toasht View Post
    Thanks for that Edgar. So what would you reckon realistically is our chances of making the third pot?

    Do we need to rely on both Portugal and Croatia losing their playoff matches or could we still qualify for the third pot, with 2 wins over Estonia, even if both Portugal and Croatia qualify?
    No we can't reach Pot 3, even 2 wins wouldn't catch France.

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    Ukraine, Croatia, Denmark please Bob. There are a couple of horrendous, really really horrendous draws we could get.
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    I want England or France!!!

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    what about England? I'd love for us to play them again in a finals (theoretically and hypothetically speaking)

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    I'd take 1 win and 2 draws right now. Hypothetically.

    Someone who might have a maths head on them.....if a team was to get 5 points in a group, can they be eliminated?
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    If we get to the finals, I'd love to draw England, if only because I know we would lift our performance for that game at least. There are definitely draws that are tougher than others but in reality we are going to deservedly be bottom seeds and will need to defeat better/higher-achieving teams no matter who we get.

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    Any combination of Spain, Holland, Germany, Russia, would not be good. On the other hand we could definitely eck something from Poland, Ukraine, England and Italy. England would have us written off from the get-go, which would be to our advantage.

    Portugal probably to be avoided, and personally I wouldn't want France, but after that open season!
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    any chance we can lock any and all UEFA 2012 group stage talk until after the play off?
    The last thing any of us want to do is jinx this.
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    Didn't have you pegged as superstitious tets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    any chance we can lock any and all UEFA 2012 group stage talk until after the play off?
    The last thing any of us want to do is jinx this.
    I certainly have lost the run of myself. I f*king love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Didn't have you pegged as superstitious tets.
    Seriously? I'm very superstitious when it comes to football, part of my pre match ritual under Kerr's reign was to get the same bus into town, have a chicken burger in Burger King on O'Connell Street (the one nearest the bridge), and walk to the stadium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Seriously? I'm very superstitious when it comes to football, part of my pre match ritual under Kerr's reign was to get the same bus into town, have a chicken burger in Burger King on O'Connell Street (the one nearest the bridge), and walk to the stadium.
    If I'd have known, I'd have suggested you change after israel at home. never doubt the power of the whopper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Seriously? I'm very superstitious when it comes to football, part of my pre match ritual under Kerr's reign was to get the same bus into town, have a chicken burger in Burger King on O'Connell Street (the one nearest the bridge), and walk to the stadium.
    Meticulous planning worthy of Kerr himself.

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    Just thanked you there Charlie to change the number of thanks you've got, can't too careful.

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