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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom
    These next 3 months and a bit are crucial. They probably are the most important 14 weeks in the international career of most of the squad.
    The Macedonia game obviously is must-winnable. The following 3 friendlies take on a life of their own then though, as it will give the younger guys a chance to put their own stamp on the squad.
    There is one friendly between now and August. The NI and Scotland games are not friendlies. They're tribal derbies with points and a trophy at stake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    There is one friendly between now and August. The NI and Scotland games are not friendlies. They're tribal derbies with points and a trophy at stake.
    To football thoroughbreds such as myself and yourself Mypost sure, these are tribal games, with pride and continental honours at stake. To Trapatoni and the management team surely they'll remove themselves from such emotion and try to use the occasions to test untried players in pressure situations.
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    There's another friendly date on the 7th june wonder will the FAI look for opposition ?
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    Saturday 26th March:

    Armenia v Russia
    Ireland v Macedonia
    Andorra v Slovakia


    I know you can't get fixated with other teams doing you a favour, but Armenia really could do us (and Slovakia) a real turn here. Even a draw would leave Russia on 10 points.

    That said, we need to have our own house in order, first and foremost. A win is critical for us here if we harbour any lingering aspirations to get out of the group as group winners. A win would put us on 10 points.

    Slovakia beating Andorra would put them on 10 points.
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    Agree Wolf would nice of Armenia to some how pull one out.
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    Am I the only one that thinks Armenia are actually contenders in this group. Lets be honest this is a poor group and I think it is quite feasible that any team bar Andorra can actually get a top two spot.

    I am all for getting on with the job in hand, which is winning our games. At the end of the group if we have not amassed sufficient points off our own bat, then other results in the group are pretty irrelevant.

    What are people's thoughts on Trap's meeting with McCarthy. I can't believe a word Trap says about that after his version of events regarding the Stephen Ireland meeting. I think the fact that Wigan actively set up a meeting for McCarthy with Levein and seem to be discouraging him from playing for Ireland will be the telling factor in the end. But hey, no worries though, Glen Whelan and Keith Andrews for the next 10 years ... thats a force for anyone to reckon with .....



    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Saturday 26th March:

    Armenia v Russia
    Ireland v Macedonia
    Andorra v Slovakia


    I know you can't get fixated with other teams doing you a favour, but Armenia really could do us (and Slovakia) a real turn here. Even a draw would leave Russia on 10 points.

    That said, we need to have our own house in order, first and foremost. A win is critical for us here if we harbour any lingering aspirations to get out of the group as group winners. A win would put us on 10 points.

    Slovakia beating Andorra would put them on 10 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by French Toasht View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks Armenia are actually contenders in this group. Lets be honest this is a poor group and I think it is quite feasible that any team bar Andorra can actually get a top two spot.
    At the moment they're contenders and hats off to them. They still have their toughest 4 matches to come. The next 2 games is where the group should seperate, as it's the back to back meetings - and they have Russia. Now if they are no worse off (i.e. 2 behind Russia) after the return in Moscow, then they will be definitely in with a shout as they'll have as near a banker following up, and then anything coul happen.
    I would be extremely disappointed if we didn't dispatch Armenia in November with no fuss. saying that once they're beaten I'll be happy-fuss or not!

    I am all for getting on with the job in hand, which is winning our games. At the end of the group if we have not amassed sufficient points off our own bat, then other results in the group are pretty irrelevant.
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    Exactly. It's why not beating Slovakia when they were there for the taking makes it really annoying. Instantly it would have compensated for the beating at home, and given us room for maneouvre later on if necessary. Every game is a cup final from now on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by French Toasht View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks Armenia are actually contenders in this group. Lets be honest this is a poor group and I think it is quite feasible that any team bar Andorra can actually get a top two spot.
    They've had some impressive results in the group so far and are the highest scorers with a better GA record than us. Should we qualify, Fahey's winner over there will have had a lot to do with it. With their challenging surnames and penchant for results, they're practically the new Cyprus. All I ask of them is further damage to Russia, Slovakia and Macedonia and I'm glad our next encounter with them will be in Dublin.

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    Their squad is here anyway: (translated from the FFM site, the FAI have nothing yet)
    http://greenscene.me/2011/03/spotlight-fyr-macedonia/

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    "Macedonia’s defence is marshalled by Mainz’s captain Nikolce Noveski. Mainz are impressing this season in the Bundesliga, sitting in 5th position. The tall stylish defender is captain of Mainz"

    Did you tell us that point to instigate fear or reaffirm how good he is?

    Ipsiwhc - macedonian for Ipswich :P (as per the BBC website...)

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    I think Armenia are the likely kingmakers rather than contenders.

    In answer to French Toasht, I don't really have any reason to doubt Trap's version of events wrt meeting McCarthy. Let's just hope the issue is put to rest soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea View Post
    "Macedonia’s defence is marshalled by Mainz’s captain Nikolce Noveski. Mainz are impressing this season in the Bundesliga, sitting in 5th position. The tall stylish defender is captain of Mainz"

    Did you tell us that point to instigate fear or reaffirm how good he is?

    Ipsiwhc - macedonian for Ipswich :P (as per the BBC website...)

    Sorry good article im only amusing myself here at work!
    A small typo, nothing too serious. As for the captaincy issue, being captain of a club is important. It's something Stephen Ireland will never aspire to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by French Toasht View Post
    What are people's thoughts on Trap's meeting with McCarthy. I can't believe a word Trap says about that after his version of events regarding the Stephen Ireland meeting. I think the fact that Wigan actively set up a meeting for McCarthy with Levein and seem to be discouraging him from playing for Ireland will be the telling factor in the end. But hey, no worries though, Glen Whelan and Keith Andrews for the next 10 years ... thats a force for anyone to reckon with .....
    have wigan really set up a meeting between mccarthy and scotland? i thought there stance was that they didn't want him playing internationally at all. why would they prefer he played for them over us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bear View Post
    have wigan really set up a meeting between mccarthy and scotland? i thought there stance was that they didn't want him playing internationally at all. why would they prefer he played for them over us?
    I believe the only meeting between Levein and McCarthy occurred early last year. There's been some suggestion that Wigan organised it but 'facilitated' is probably more accurate. As they presumably did with Trap last week.

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    I didn't realise Pandev walked out on Macedonia after the 2-2 home draw against Armenia. Typical he decides to show up against us. http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...292392813.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullivinho View Post
    I believe the only meeting between Levein and McCarthy occurred early last year. There's been some suggestion that Wigan organised it but 'facilitated' is probably more accurate. As they presumably did with Trap last week.
    I wonder what part if any Whelan played in all of this?

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    Armenia could do us a huge favour today by drawing with or beating the Russians. They will probably need to score two goals to get anything from the game. A repeat of their home performance against Slovakia might be enough.

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    I'll also have the stream of the Sri Lankan run chase against England, as a back up sweetner.

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