Can Derry City join the LoI?

[passerrby]

How could this 'never ever change' when this new club based in derry havent played harps yet?

Btw do this new club in derry have to make a new application for special permission to play in the league from uefa or fifa or whoever had to give the previous club in derry permission seen as they're not in the republic of ireland? Genuine question btw as they are a brand new club, and i havent seen it mentioned anywhere

have asked the same question in this thread i think they only need to apply to eufa if either fai or ifa obects, but if both agree then application is not needed.

[Mr_Parker]

How could this 'never ever change' when this new club based in derry havent played harps yet?

Btw do this new club in derry have to make a new application for special permission to play in the league from uefa or fifa or whoever had to give the previous club in derry permission seen as they're not in the republic of ireland? Genuine question btw as they are a brand new club, and i havent seen it mentioned anywhere

have asked the same question in this thread i think they only need to apply to eufa if either fai or ifa obects, but if both agree then application is not needed.

We were banned by the mods from discussing this aspect of how Derry City can get around the IFA and in turn Uefa rules iirc.

[Mr A]

We were banned by the mods from discussing this aspect of how Derry City can get around the IFA and in turn Uefa rules iirc.

Don't bloody remind them! Anyhoo, with licensing well in train it's certainly a relevant topic at this stage.

[A N Mouse]

We were banned by the mods from discussing this aspect of how Derry City can get around the IFA and in turn Uefa rules iirc.

Because people kept repeatedly asking the same question.

The long and short of it is that it's in the best interests of the ifa to let this slide.

[Cosmo]

We were banned by the mods from discussing this aspect of how Derry City can get around the IFA and in turn Uefa rules iirc.

Apologies, haven't read every page in this thread. But why is that though? Surely its a valid question? Wasnt the reason the old derry were allowed in the league in the first place was they had to apply to uefa (or fifa or whoever it was) stating special circumstances as they were outside the republic? Surely it's not as easy for any team in europe to join a league in a foreign country and if nobody objects, its ok? (rather than a club going to uefa or fifa stating why they should be allowed in a foreign league,etc and then await for approval from eufa/fifa and associations involved?)

Just interested in how this works! Just seems a bit too easy to join a foreign league- without having to apply to uefa - and if nobody objects, its all ok!! Amazing, if thats how easy it is all across europe (not just in this case!!)

[Mr_Parker]

Because people kept repeatedly asking the same question.

The long and short of it is that it's in the best interests of the ifa to let this slide.

If I was allowed to respond I would use a word beginning with b and ending in ocks.

[A N Mouse]

If I was allowed to respond I would use a word beginning with b and ending in ocks.

Without getting into the the why's and where for's? Do you genuinely believe that it would serve the ifa well to actively seek to prevent dcfc from seeking re-admission to the loi?

[Mr_Parker]

Without getting into the the why's and where for's? Do you genuinely believe that it would serve the ifa well to actively seek to prevent dcfc from seeking re-admission to the loi?

#It might depend if 'Derry' settle the monies owed to IL clubs.

[awec]

#It might depend if 'Derry' settle the monies owed to IL clubs.

The IFA aren't interested in looking after their member clubs, lets be honest.

[Mr_Parker]

The IFA aren't interested in looking after their member clubs, lets be honest.

You mean the member clubs are not interested in looking after the member clubs? Strange.

[A N Mouse]

The IFA aren't interested in looking after their member clubs, lets be honest.

We've been saying that for years! :P

[awec]

You mean the member clubs are not interested in looking after the member clubs? Strange.

You've lost me now.

[dcfcsteve]

Apologies, haven't read every page in this thread. But why is that though? Surely its a valid question? Wasnt the reason the old derry were allowed in the league in the first place was they had to apply to uefa (or fifa or whoever it was) stating special circumstances as they were outside the republic? Surely it's not as easy for any team in europe to join a league in a foreign country and if nobody objects, its ok? (rather than a club going to uefa or fifa stating why they should be allowed in a foreign league,etc and then await for approval from eufa/fifa and associations involved?)

Just interested in how this works! Just seems a bit too easy to join a foreign league- without having to apply to uefa - and if nobody objects, its all ok!! Amazing, if thats how easy it is all across europe (not just in this case!!)

The law has changed since City joined the LOI thoiugh.

The Maastricht Treaty, and following European laws on free competition and restraint of trade, now mean that it literally is as easy as a team from one European Union jurisdiction joining the league structures of another. All that is needed for this to happen is for the recipient league's members to accept them.

Hence why the idea of The Old Firm joining the English structure just won't go away, and the proposal of creating two Premier Divisions in order to get the support of clubs to vote for it to happen.

So in summary - City doesn't need any UEFA or FIFA dispensation, unlike in 1985.

[dcfcsteve]

It is a valid question. Unfortunately, nobody actually knows anything about the issue, so we ended getting stuck on the one question which is obviously important, but which no-one could answer, so it kept getting asked again and pointed out how important it was, but no-one could answer, so...

Err - I think you'll find that I've detailed the correct answer to this at varying lengths more than a dozen times on here over the last few years - complete with references to the High Court case in England that clarified the European legal precedent around it all in 1994, and the fact that it was explained directly to me by a former FIFA governing committee member.

So some do indeed know about the issue

[Mr_Parker]

So in summary - City doesn't need any UEFA or FIFA dispensation, unlike in 1985.

Your conclusion may be true, however they do need their membership of the IFA for a number of reasons. 1, FIFA and Uefa regs and 2, grant funding. Member clubs cannot transfer their membership. IFA Article 3.12.a

[MariborKev]

And we're off again......

[dcfcsteve]

Your conclusion may be true, however they do need their membership of the IFA for a number of reasons. 1, FIFA and Uefa regs and 2, grant funding. Member clubs cannot transfer their membership. IFA Article 3.12.a

You are, of course, right.

But it is, of course, irrelevant to the issue.

The IFA cannot legally prevent Derry City playing in the LOI if they are there with the agreement of the LOI clubs. We have no need to transfer our membership, so it is irrelevant.

[Nedser]

The law has changed since City joined the LOI thoiugh.

The Maastricht Treaty, and following European laws on free competition and restraint of trade, now mean that it literally is as easy as a team from one European Union jurisdiction joining the league structures of another. All that is needed for this to happen is for the recipient league's members to accept them..

I'd be very interested if you could produce any objective evidence to support your assertion that "All that is needed for this to happen is for the recipient league's members to accept them". Restraint of trade laws are very difficult to apply to a sporting context. It would be possible to argue that all sorts of routine aspects of football are restraints of trade. I really don't think it's as simple as you make out.

Hence why the idea of The Old Firm joining the English structure just won't go away, and the proposal of creating two Premier Divisions in order to get the support of clubs to vote for it to happen..

The Old Firm situation is completey different. From a legal perspective, it's 2 UK clubs attempting to gain entry to a different league based in the UK. The new DCFC is a club based in the UK trying to gain entry to a league based in a different EU Member State - as such a completely different proposition.

Having said that, the media coverage of the Old Firm proposal indicates that the national associations on both sides of the border would need to agree. It was also widely reported that UEFA said they wouldn't object, but that doesn't mean they don't need to give approval. See this as an example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...em/8006934.stm

[Mr_Parker]

You are, of course, right.

But it is, of course, irrelevant to the issue.

The IFA cannot legally prevent Derry City playing in the LOI if they are there with the agreement of the LOI clubs. We have no need to transfer our membership, so it is irrelevant.

By moving your membership from one company to another is transfering your membership. As the IFA Article says, "directly or indirectly."

[pineapple stu]

And this is exactly why the discussion was stopped in the first place - round and around and around.

Que sera sera. Can we leave it there please?