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    Rovers make official complaint to FAI about Bohs spending practices

    Full page article today in the Daily Mail on Rovers making a detailed complaint to FAI about Bohs spending practices.

    Points made by Rovers include ...

    how Bohs spend 190K on training facilities when Rovers only cost 35000
    how schoolboys cost Rovers 40K to run 22 schoolboys teams, but Bohs spend 130K on 15 teams made by Rovers
    how still 4 bar staff being employed as profits have droped from 77K to 30K

    FAI have said they will raise these point with Bohs.

    Conway said to be outraged!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYCTWD View Post
    Rovers have highlighted a number of areas of concern: specifically, the sums Bohs have spent on training facilities, on fielding under-age
    teams and in fund-raising, where their costs have jumped by 1,900per cent from 2005 to 2008.
    That's some localised inflation rate there. How much is the programme at Dalyer now? Does this zone of hyper inflation take in Eddie Rockets too?
    Last edited by Bluebeard; 26/11/2009 at 9:10 AM. Reason: Getting the quote right
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    Quote Originally Posted by BYCTWD View Post
    HEY, BIG SPENDER
    Where Bohs'cash went in 2008
    Training expenses: €190,883
    (up €30,364 on 2007)
    Underage teams €130,816
    (up €114,971 on 200T)
    Fund-raising: €94,525
    (Up €89,875 on 2007)

    Team management and staff:
    €428,555 (up €139,116)
    So, Bohs SPENT €94,525 on Fundraising?

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    I would expect the FAI would ask Bohs for timesheets or other employment records for their training, bar and administrative staff.

    The fact that the audit has been signed off is irrelevant.

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    This bit confuses me though -

    Quote Originally Posted by blackholesun View Post
    FAI have said they will raise these point with Bohs.
    Why do the FAI need to raise these points with Bohs*? If they think there's a problem, then they should have seen the figures already and raised the issue. If they think there's no problem, they don't need to raise the points with Bohs. What a great league that the FAI will only act if it's made really really obvious that they need to.



    * - it's a rhetorical question, before anyone answers seriously.

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    In a way it's good to see this kind of self policing. If clubs begin to report suspicious activities, rather than the old practice of saying "well if they're getting away with that then maybe we can too", the league will become a much more open and hopefully more sustainable place. The FAI will have to be careful here though or it could get incredibly petty with clubs reporting each other and demanding investigations over every little thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passinginterest View Post
    In a way it's good to see this kind of self policing. If clubs begin to report suspicious activities, rather than the old practice of saying "well if they're getting away with that then maybe we can too", the league will become a much more open and hopefully more sustainable place. The FAI will have to be careful here though or it could get incredibly petty with clubs reporting each other and demanding investigations over every little thing.
    No its petty, small minded and bitter. Its the FAI's job to police not other clubs.

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    Before anybody says that it's sour grapes from Rovers, why has the salary cap protocol section in next season's licensing manual been amended to include "coaching" and "management" salary as going toward the 65%?
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    Quote Originally Posted by passinginterest View Post
    In a way it's good to see this kind of self policing. If clubs begin to report suspicious activities, rather than the old practice of saying "well if they're getting away with that then maybe we can too", the league will become a much more open and hopefully more sustainable place. The FAI will have to be careful here though or it could get incredibly petty with clubs reporting each other and demanding investigations over every little thing.
    From eircom league to Stasi league... with snivelling losers posting grievances at every turn. It would only work if each club published accounts to the same standards and level of detail, which isn't going to happen.

    Your last point is well made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stovelid View Post
    Before anybody says that it's sour grapes from Rovers, why has the salary cap protocol section in next season's licensing manual been amended to include "coaching" and "management" salary as going toward the 65%?
    Wasn't that always going to be the case though? I seem to recall reading somewhere that it was to initially cover just player wages, but was in time also to include coaching staff. Did I dream that then? 'Cos that kind of thing is happening with an alarming increase in frequency lately!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stann View Post
    Wasn't that always going to be the case though? I seem to recall reading somewhere that it was to initially cover just player wages, but was in time also to include coaching staff.
    Not sure, but if so, it was obviously earmarked as a possible loophole and is something that they must be looking to finally close next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stovelid View Post
    Not sure, but if so, it was obviously earmarked as a possible loophole and is something that they must be looking to finally close next season.
    It was always going to be closed. However the FAI brought it in on a staged basis to allow clubs time.

    Stage 1: 65% players only
    Stage 2: 65% including management
    I think the next stage we were told was 60% including management.
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    Previous posters like pineapple Stu are right on this.

    If a club can ask such pertinent questions, what was the FAI doing re looking at these sort of issues ? Do they really take a good look at accounts, or juts put them away in a filing cabinet until someone groans about them ? Given the year we've had, you'd have hoped the Compliance Officer (if there is one) would be all over any form of information on accounts.

    This does have the danger of appearing like pettiness from Rovers, but if there are questions here to answer then those questions remain - regardless of who asks them. Bohs fans will never acknowledge this, but questions aren't any less relevant just because you don't like whoever asks them.

    And some of the figures quoted do suggest that there are indeed questions to be answered here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcfcsteve View Post
    If a club can ask such pertinent questions, what was the FAI doing re looking at these sort of issues ? Do they really take a good look at accounts, or juts put them away in a filing cabinet until someone groans about them ? Given the year we've had, you'd have hoped the Compliance Officer (if there is one) would be all over any form of information on accounts.
    Was there not an article from the Indo mid-season where it was claimed Padraig Smith(Compliance Officer) had queried Bohs financial state? Cue Bohs posters up in arms about how they were being singled out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BYCTWD View Post
    There is a thread on the Rovers forum predicting the Bozo response to this, and the 'bitter' theme is winning.
    Aren't they the perceptive ones? Perhaps they sensed the sour reality for themselves.

    Lets accept your point that this is us being "snivelling losers posting grievances" for the time being. Have you anything to say about the substantive point - a 1,900% increase in the cost of off the pitch activity with no discernable increase in said activity. The Bohs schoolkids didn't get medals this year because you hadn't paid the league fees. How does that tie in to the increased spend?
    If you think I'm going to co-operate in your little tribunal here, answering every bitter question you have concerning the cost of paper clips and beer mats, you're greatly mistaken.

    But I do have a simple question for you. Where is your club's dignity?

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    The most worrying thing is that while the rules are being tightened to prevent players being paid as coaches etc, this craic of paying them as barmen or any other non football role does not appear to be properly regulated under the new rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohDiddley View Post
    If you think I'm going to co-operate in your little tribunal here, answering every bitter question you have
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    Just shows what a bitter crowd they are out in Wicklow. I thought we had seen the last of trying to win titles in the boardroom with the passing of Ollie Byrne (RIP), but it would seem Rovers have sunk to even lower levels.

    At the 2009 Boh's AGM the schooboys expenses, fundraising costs etc were questioned by different members. The board gave a breakdown (that the auditor who was also present approved) of the costs.

    Was it not also in 2005 when Rovers had the tippex out to submit their accounts to the FAI. Don't remember Bohs going crying to the FAI over the injustice of it all back then

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    Bitterness doesn't come into it,Rovers had no other choice, if the gypos are called out on being cute hoors now, it might reduce their opportunites for being cute hoors in future.

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