What a joke of a league

[Ezeikial]

Ezeikial, i am not the authority on who is and who is not complying. I suspect Dundalk arent but they could be. Ditto Galway and Sligo. Im not going to know for sure until i hear from the FAI. My main point was that even if your team and the others who are living on the edge are complying with an arbitrary percentage of a predetermined budget, this does not mean that they arent already screwed or will be very shortly.

For sure, Cork, Derry and Bohs are in the most visible danger but i think Dundalk, Galway, Drogheda and Sligo are right behind them 65% or no 65%.

The original question I posed was:

Corks problems are obvious, Bohs and Derry may have issues with the 65% rule, but what are the non-compliance issues with Dundalk, Galway, Sligo and Drogheda?

I'm none the wiser about your views on inferred non-compliance issues with the above 4 clubs, other then you don't know, and that they may be in financial danger now or in the future!

[HulaHoop]

fair enough HulaHoop - we'll have to wait and see. If Rovers can prolong the Tallaght effect and remain steadfast in their principles over the next 5 years then i will be the first to say well done (with some choice expletives thrown in)

Fair enough, here's to the future

[SkStu]

The original question I posed was:



I'm none the wiser about your views on inferred non-compliance issues with the above 4 clubs, other then you don't know, and that they may be in financial danger now or in the future!

thats funny cos you were perfectly happy with my response in the previous message i posted.

Whether Dundalk are complying or not is besides the point - compliance is only a way to avoid FAI sanction - its not the miracle cure to every clubs ailment! If Bohs do comply this season it doesnt mean that we arent screwed anyway in terms of having to service our old debt. Same Cork, same Dundalk, same everyone you mention. Thats my point. I know it doesnt answer your question - as i said, im sure (ha!) that Frank And Irene will do that at some stage.

[tallaghtfornia]

I always love arguments that go..... "as we all know"... always a sign of desperation. Having listened to the rantings of many on here about Bohs breaching the 65% rule we now have to listen to whining because it looks like Bohs (at last) may have got their house in order.
for the benifits of slow people like Rovers Manaic - 64% legal, within rules = no penalty. 66% illegal, outside rules = penalty. Sure how could a team win the League by 1 or 2 points we all know they don't deserve it same idiotic argument....

Bohs are nowhere near having their house in order, they are simply gonna carry on regardless because they are fairly confident (and I would be too) that the FAI wont have the balls to do anything to them.

If Bohs had their house in order they wouldn't all of a sudden have a last man standing competition, monster draw and Johnny Logan singing in a tent.

Before all Bohs fans start with the usual "rovers talking ****e" responses I have been told by a very good source within Bohs of the situation and things do not look good for when the FAI wanna see the books.

To sort all this out I think the FAI should assign a finance officer to every club and go through the finances on a month to month basis so warnings can be made and then acted on if needed.

[tallaghtfornia]

My main point was that even if your team and the others who are living on the edge are complying with an arbitrary percentage of a predetermined budget, this does not mean that they arent already screwed or will be very shortly.
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Spot on point, think people are under the impression that if they can get away with it now then its happy days and all is forgotten. Some people are in for one hell of a rude awakening.

[Da Real Rover]

As far as im aware we are fairly comfortable at the moment, obviously not rolling in the cash but players are being paid and the wolves dont seem to be at the door.
From what I hear about Galway they are definetly up there with Cork, apparently Foster hasnt been payed in weeks and wages arent being met.

[Patrick Dunne]

As far as im aware we are fairly comfortable at the moment, obviously not rolling in the cash but players are being paid and the wolves dont seem to be at the door.
From what I hear about Galway they are definetly up there with Cork, apparently Foster hasnt been payed in weeks and wages arent being met.

I was talking to one of the parents of a squad member last night who told me that all players wages are up to date.

[MMVIII]

Sligo are right behind them 65% or no 65%.

You base this on what exactly? What do you know about our club that makes you say this? Or are you just saying it because you somehow think, that just because Bohs are in the dogs, the likes of us will be there soon after? We've been living well within our means this season which is most evident in our squad.

[Da Real Rover]

I was talking to one of the parents of a squad member last night who told me that all players wages are up to date.

Cheers.
Is it true that Foster hasnt been payed in weeks though?

[forza rovers]

This type of claim seems pretty regular here, but I don't understand the basis for it. It is pretty obvious that most clubs are experiencing various levels of financial difficulties, but there are hardly 7 premier clubs who are likely to have breached licencing rules.

Corks problems are obvious, Bohs and Derry may have issues with the 65% rule, but what are the non-compliance issues with Dundalk, Galway, Sligo and Drogheda?

there has being no issues with the club and the fai

[Dodge]

drama queens

League's been going nearly 90 years, will live on longer than any of us.

Stop ****ing bitching and moaning about everything and enjoy watching your team play.

[SkStu]

Bohs are nowhere near having their house in order, they are simply gonna carry on regardless because they are fairly confident (and I would be too) that the FAI wont have the balls to do anything to them.

If Bohs had their house in order they wouldn't all of a sudden have a last man standing competition, monster draw and Johnny Logan singing in a tent.

Before all Bohs fans start with the usual "rovers talking ****e" responses I have been told by a very good source within Bohs of the situation and things do not look good for when the FAI wanna see the books.

To sort all this out I think the FAI should assign a finance officer to every club and go through the finances on a month to month basis so warnings can be made and then acted on if needed.

I dont tend to trust sentences on messageboards that mention "very good sources" but yeah, we are nowhere near being in good order, i think thats common knowledge. I think we may make the 65% with the fundraising initiatives you have pointed out but thats only the short term goal and id imagine that we will not "carry on regardless" come the end of the season and i think you will see a different Bohs team and a different approach from us next season and into the future. We are slowly turning the club around but its going to take a long time.

I also agree that Frank And Irene will be supplying major fudge to D7 at the end of the season, something that i think that is even more likely if your lot wins the League (in other words, the stink kicked up if a compliant Rovers team wins the league will be far less than if a non compliant team wins thus allowing vast quantities of fudge to be handed out behind the scenes with minimum fuss).

I think your last paragraph is a good idea. A finance officer or three would be enough though, no need for one per club.

[SkStu]

You base this on what exactly? What do you know about our club that makes you say this? Or are you just saying it because you somehow think, that just because Bohs are in the dogs, the likes of us will be there soon after? We've been living well within our means this season which is most evident in our squad.

Firstly i said "i think" in that sentence you quoted.

Secondly, i made the assumption based on your problems last season and the fact that you cannot realistically go from being in major trouble to making a profit in the space of a year. Is it not fair to assume that Rovers are in debt and that it will take some time to service that debt?

[red bellied]

Firstly i said "i think" in that sentence you quoted.

Secondly, i made the assumption based on your problems last season and the fact that you cannot realistically go from being in major trouble to making a profit in the space of a year. Is it not fair to assume that Rovers are in debt and that it will take some time to service that debt?

Actually broke even in the end up last season. Budget reduced this season plus being still in the cup at this stage is currently helping.

[Ezeikial]

I also agree that Frank And Irene will be supplying major fudge to D7 at the end of the season, something that i think that is even more likely if your lot wins the League (in other words, the stink kicked up if a compliant Rovers team wins the league will be far less than if a non compliant team wins thus allowing vast quantities of fudge to be handed out behind the scenes with minimum fuss).

If Bohs fail to win the league, would the shortfall of 150,000 in prize money, between 1st and 2nd places, not completely shatter the possibility of complying with the 65% rule?

[SkStu]

yes, probably (not necessarily a given however). Why?

the point i was making was that if Rovers win the league then it will be far easier for the FAI to fudge sanctions on at least 3, possibly 5, team that have not complied, therefore avoiding huge negative press around the league and by extension, the FAI.

If Bohs win, a big fuss will be kicked up about league winners being non compliant therefore meaning that sanctions will be called for loudly and the likelihood of the same 3-5 teams getting sanctioned increases. The less fuss that is kicked up, the easier it will be for the FAI to say nothing in public and reprimand teams in private and get them to get their house in order for the next season...

Im not saying this is fact, im just saying that this is how it could work out. Just an opinion.

[Ezeikial]

yes, probably (not necessarily a given however). Why?

While I would not put any situation beyond the scope of the FAI fudge-specialists, I imagine that if they were so inclined, they would find it easier to declare Bohs compliant if they were close to 65%, but would find it much more difficult if there was such an obvious disparity. The statements made to the press about needing to win the league and advance against Salzburg to come anywhere near the limits, could come back to haunt the Bohs board.

the point i was making was that if Rovers win the league then it will be far easier for the FAI to fudge sanctions on at least 3, possibly 5, team that have not complied, therefore avoiding huge negative press around the league and by extension, the FAI.

It's an interesting theory, but I don't understand why you say at least 3 clubs, and possibly 5, will not have complied. Bohs, Derry, and Cork are all obvious possibilities for the 65% rule, while Cork may have further licencing difficulties - but it is far from certain that all of these will be non-compliant.

Irrespective of how many are non-compliant, the FAI would shatter whatever credibility they hold if they were to blatently waive all sanctions.

Abdicating this responsibiliy would not be in the overall interests of trying to acheive a regulated and sustainable league.

[Hairy Bowsie]

The league is a joke alright but never moreso than since the FAI took over. I've went to my first game aged 3 and have been going since, it's always been a joke but only in the last 3 years have i ever gave serious thought to just packing it in altogether.

Say what you want about barstoolers but it has it's benefits, they don't have to go through the sh*te we have to go through with the league and our clubs, it's a much easier way to support a team in the many senses of the term.

[Dunny]

Dundalk CEO Gerry Matthews interview on the finances of the club...

http://dundalkfc.com/news/090913_GM.asp

[Mr A]

Good to see him being pretty open and honest. The parallels with our adventures last season are striking, albeit Dundalk seem in a far better position to recover from them quickly, especially because you actually have a decent team and a clear leadership structure. That said, the projected loss is substantial, the comments on signing new players are unconvincing and the surprise at crashed advertising revenue misplaced considering that this time last year it was already clear that the economy was in a very poor state.