Originally Posted by EalingGreen
One of the lads told me that they went with a few friends to a hurling match in Croke Park just for the laugh when they where in Dublin. They displayed a St. Georges flag with SAFC-Durham on it.
What do you think it represents, then? Why are you offended by it?The union is not the flag of any country though?People having objections to a flag such as the union flag and what it represents is not bigoted and to brush it off as such is just ridiculous as people are entitled to object to what the flag represents.
Got it spot on. I just regard flags as pieces of cloth. Yes they have various representations connected to them but the day i get riled by one is the day I too should be barred from LOI grounds.
I just sit down at the typewriter & start hittin the keys, just hittin the keys. Getting them in the right order though thats the trick, thats the trick.
Garth Merenghi
why bother? unless its a national match no real point in bringing a flag of any country.
Scram you're just twisting peoples words. They we're in Dublin for the Shels v Sunderland. They fancied going to a hurling just for the experience and see what its like. Going to see Croke Park was a large part of it too. They unfurled the flag as they didn't think that it would cause any harm. The stewards told them to remove the flag or else they'll be throw out. They did with out any trouble and by all accounts enjoyed the day.
There are often tricolour flags shown in the conference (seen it with my own eyes). No problem whatsoever.
Most people wouldn't even know what country it represents. Probably think it's the Ivory Coast flag or something. A tricolour at English grounds is a complete non-issue.
It's got nothing to do with the English game being international and our own being some parochial back-water, and everything to do with the Irish and our attitude towards the English/British - an attitude that isn't reciprocated by and large.
Imagine what would've happend in the early 1980's if someone took an Argentinian flag to a football game in England, for example. International my arse...
You're waaayyyy off the mark there. They really wouldn't care (except maybe at Aldershot, which is a town of about 20,000 squaddies). The likes of Crawley would just be delighted to have the fans there ! I'll take a tricolour to the next AFC Wimbledon game I go to to prove the point.
Even in Guildford or Warrington you wouldn't find animosity towards the Irish flag form 99.9% of the population - despite them being towns that were bombed by the IRA in living memory.
The Irish just don't do 'moving on' very well......!
You have to live in England to realise how little the English know/care about their history with Ireland.
I view it as representing colonialism and imperialism, something that is relative to this Island and can explain why people may be offended at the sight of the union flag. People are more than entitled to display their national flag but the union flag is not a flag of any nation and what it does represent can be offensive.
So would you think the same thing if some Yank tourists hung the stars 'n' stripes in the Showgrounds? What it represents is currently much worse, in my opinion.
I love how the thread has turned into "what I think of certain flags"
In certain places the stars and stripes do represent colonialism and imperialism, but that is not necessarily Ireland as Ireland has never been invaded by America, except maybe through pop culture. Therefore people are less likely to get offended by the stars and stripes compared to the union flag as the union is more relative to Ireland.
Indeed, and I don't like where this thread is going at all.I love how the thread has turned into "what I think of certain flags"
In certain places the stars and stripes do represent colonialism and imperialism, but that is not necessarily Ireland as Ireland has never been invaded by America, except maybe through pop culture. Therefore people are less likely to get offended by the stars and stripes compared to the union flag as the union is more relative to Ireland.
It's all open to interpretation so, isn't it? The people getting 'offended' by the Union Jack or the St. George have never been 'oppressed' by the British (or English) in their lives, yet they're happy to speak their language every day, shop in their supermarkets and take cheap flights to their country.
I don't see any problem whatsoever with an England flag at an Irish event. But Sunderland flags should be subject to a blanket ban.
Seriously, anyone who is offended by the flag of England at a sporting event, assuming it is not accompanied by a group of BNP/NF/K18 boneheads, really needs to get a life.
I wasn't on about the St. Georges flag. The union jack and it representing the union which is meant to include a partitioned part of this country allows for people to be offended at its presence in this country. That is not exclusive in anyway to LOI grounds.
Exactly.
i go to a lot of games in england every year and theres tri colours everywhere,
and it dosent seem to bother the english people.
and when ipswich played in the rsc a few weeks ago there was 2 georges flags and it didnt seem to bother anyone there.
its only a few dopes over here who are living in the past that have the problems.
clowns.
All depends on the relevance of the situation.
Harps played Ipswich a few weeks ago and there was St George's and Union flags there. No one had a problem.
If Harps had of been playing Derry and either of these flags were taken out for example, what do people think would happen?
It would have been acknowledged as a weak wind-up attempt and ignored, I imagine.
A leading authority on League of Ireland football since 2003. You're probably wrong.
Were you ever at a Harps Derry match?
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