Cork AUL 2009/10

[the owl]

To be honest chico it could have went either way.

[Gaz123]

we can all slate refs for dishing out cards etc but in the bohs v passage aoh cup game the weekend the two teams never crossed eachother or had any kind of altercations, the red cards were for lack of individual discipline, as both teams played a fair game bar the two red cards for the needless reactions of players and the others were justifiable bookings, the ref kept control of the game throughout, and as said earlier if it wasnt for the bohs keeper it would have been a walk in the park for the southsiders! Good keeper!!

[olachico]

Yeah have to agree owl - however i thought ye were the better side in Monard and we were the better side yesterday so on the balance of play 2 draws between us was fair enough

[super_mario]

Lots of fuss about the Ref been made here but in fairness he didnt have it easy with 2 childish teams on Saturday.Two of Bohs sending offs were IMO correct and the Passage one was a dead cert but its only an opinion and doesnt matter a whole pile.In truth Passage could have wrapped up the game before halftime but squandered chance after chance.Bohs kept playing and could have levelled matters as Passage were too busy conceding free kicks around the box and then moaning about it instead of getting on with things.Overall a fair result Bohs were in too many cups ant this should kick start their league again

Childish?? What do you expect when a referee puts in a performance like he did, now this isnt because we lost the game because i hold my hands up we deserved to lose the game, as for passage shud have had this wrapped up at half time is the most in-accurate reading of a game i ever heard, apart from the penalty that our keeper saved brilliantly they had no other clear chances, in the 2nd half they really piled the pressure on as you would presume with us having only 8 men, and now to be totally honest as i mentioned earlier this would have been 5 maybe 6 nil if it wasnt for our keeper.

[littleman]

Mario,lets be honest was it that it was that someone suggested ye for Chumps or was it that, that someone was me.

Look bud I based my selection on the fact ye were at home,an lost an had a few sent off.Their wasnt anything maliceious about it.

With regards to your post about the refs,Iv lost it big time in the past an it was all spur of the moment stuff an Iv regretted it big time.If a ref came on here an ran a player or club down we'd all be up in arms.Its a junior game an Iv been involved in it longer than most of ye an 3 things have always been the focus of grief,the standards of refs,opposition an grounds.Ya get good ones ,decent ones an poor ones.An if you think going senior solves the problems think again.For Gods sake we watch the Premier on tv each week an we hear managers say the refs are poor,an the managers get punished for it,an the same will come of negative comments posted on here in time.

I'll take a wild guess here but id say the majority of sendings off in the Aul are for retaliation an decent rather than dangerous tackles.So 2/3rds of um are down to lads not being able to control their heads or their mouths,the other goes under timing.So realisticly the ref only has a 1/3rd to be blamed for(if any) an the rest are totally in the hands or mouths of the players.

So it may be a better to try improve attitudes towards the man in the middle rather than gettin him on your bad side,which you will cause they do read these posts.All a few on here have tried to give ya a little advice so try to take it the way its been given.

I'd ask ye all to be very honest on this one lads.

If a team plays well enough an takes their chances an wins a good game,the refs dosent get a mention,or just a small one to say he had a good game.

But,If a team however under performs,an has a stinker,nothin goes right(we have all had um)then nearly always the ref gets the blame.

[super_mario]

I know littleman but we have got this ref twice in 3 games and he was just as bad the both times, and i heard the blackstone players were disgusted by his performance, sometimes its hard on players when the man inghe middle cant do what he is PAID to do

Oh and it wasnt because it was you it was just because i didnt think we deserved it fella thats all

[Horse24]

Go on be honest.......ye all missed talking to people who ye mighnt recognise or whose names ye mighnt know!!!

On the refs thing, we were talking about it amongst ourselves after a few games over the season and decided that reporting is not an option, because it has not been proven as a successful method at all. Ranting is an equally unsuccessful route, with both methods open to unproven retribution. Who our players talk to on the street is none of our business really.

As general comments, I do believe both sides are at fault in most cases when "the ref was terrible". However, I do believe that a lot of these incidents are avoidable if there was propoer communication from both sides. A suggestion might be a monthly or bi-monthly meeting where honest discussions from both sides should lead to improvements. The best information will come from the coalface, so maybe 3 sides are needed - Refs, AUL & club reps. I HAD A DREAM...........

As for our game at the weekend, it was like what I had seen the day before at Anfield - less poison but same no prisoners attitude. A great game, I would have been heartbroken if we had lost it and so would owl so maybe a draw is ok. We led twice, Ballyvolane had a lot of ball but not as much as our home game, and we had a good chance to win in the final minutes again. The game had everything, great goals, good chances, cards.......and the best thing was after 180 minutes of full blooded players and the lines killing each other......in great banter......everyone shook hands and we shared tickets donated by Littlemans crowd in Murphys Rock. We even sold them Blackstone Lotto tickets!!

Glad to hear the player is ok Owl, the main Blackstone nurse can be revealed as Chico himself! Otherwise we are nearly back to spit and tissue on our line!!!!!

Ballintotis in last 32 of AOH next week. Anyone play them this season?

[streetscene]

Huge win for us down in mitchelstown on sat and one that moves us into 4th in the table... park will probably feel aggrieved not to have taken a point as they had a lot of possesion but never really ceated much... we scored early and really defended well after that which was really pleasing... very hard place to go down to and come away with the points so we were delighted...only dissapointment was the pitch down there... they played the game on there 2nd pitch which has a huge hill on it and is very hard to play football on so it makes the result all the more pleasing for us....
im not going to get involved in this champs and chumps thing cant help feeling it will lead to some serious fall out soon...its all very well until your team gets murdered here as some pople just cant take criticism of there own team..fair play to mario for taking it on the chin i hope everyone else will when there turn comes.. and well done again to leeside great result...
as regards the refs my own opinion is its not going to help anyones cause slating anyone here as there is a lot more people read this forum than there is post and that includes refs so you wont do your team any favours... regardless of them being good or bad we cant play without them so best just to get on with it...i think the aul could come up with some system where the each ref gets graded by all the teams in his section at the end of season and if there was a name cropping up a lot then they could deal with it in some form....
Shetland im sure at this stage now ye dont need many tips on us....

[olachico]

With regards to your post about the refs,Iv lost it big time in the past an it was all spur of the moment stuff an Iv regretted it big time.If a ref came on here an ran a player or club down we'd all be up in arms.Its a junior game an Iv been involved in it longer than most of ye an 3 things have always been the focus of grief,the standards of refs,opposition an grounds.Ya get good ones ,decent ones an poor ones.An if you think going senior solves the problems think again.For Gods sake we watch the Premier on tv each week an we hear managers say the refs are poor,an the managers get punished for it,an the same will come of negative comments posted on here in time.

I'll take a wild guess here but id say the majority of sendings off in the Aul are for retaliation an decent rather than dangerous tackles.So 2/3rds of um are down to lads not being able to control their heads or their mouths,the other goes under timing.So realisticly the ref only has a 1/3rd to be blamed for(if any) an the rest are totally in the hands or mouths of the players.

So it may be a better to try improve attitudes towards the man in the middle rather than gettin him on your bad side,which you will cause they do read these posts.All a few on here have tried to give ya a little advice so try to take it the way its been given.

I'd ask ye all to be very honest on this one lads.

If a team plays well enough an takes their chances an wins a good game,the refs dosent get a mention,or just a small one to say he had a good game.

But,If a team however under performs,an has a stinker,nothin goes right(we have all had um)then nearly always the ref gets the blame.

Lads just to reiterate what Littleman has said and i have said earlier , there is just no point in slating people on here it achieves nothing . With a little detective work though can anyone spot the similarity between the Bohs/Passage game and the Ballyvolane/Blackstone game????

[junglegym]

also coachford had a good win the weekend should start climbing up the table if they get a run of good results!

One game at a time Gaz.
Came back from one nil down to get a valuable 3pts, Badly wanted.
Huge Game again this weekend, fingers crossed we can keep it going.

[super_mario]

Littleman you said when a team plays well the ref never gets mentioned, well we had the same ref in question 3 weeks ago and we won 4-1 and could have had 3 or 4 more but to be honest he was just as bad then, it is just very frustrating when you are looking forward to a game of ball and the ref ruins the whole game with a performance like that,

We play in the fairfield and on the morning of our game was a few puddles here and there and 2 big ones in the middle of the park, we had fellas go down to our pitch at 8:30 in the morning and clear the puddles and throw a few buckets of sand about and get the pitch ready which they did a great job on cos the pitch was perfect, and for the team to put that much effort into playing the game then surely we can ask the same from the ref in return, maybe i was a bit still annoyed yesterday and might have ranted on for longer than i should have but i stand by my comments about his performance, and yes we had 3 sent off and 2 were right any other ref would have sent them off aswell im not trying to make excuses here lads because as i have said earlier passage deserved to beat us, and he was just as bad for both teams,

And i just found out earlier there was a referee's inspector at our game, i would absolutely love to hear what he had to say about the refs performance, in no way shape or form could he be impressed with his performance.

[Innishvilla]

And i just found out earlier there was a referee's inspector at our game, i would absolutely love to hear what he had to say about the refs performance, in no way shape or form could he be impressed with his performance.

I've seen it said a lot of times that what we would consider a good performance by a referee could receive a bad report from a referee's inspector and vice versa. Mainly due to the fact that that the inspector is looking for strict implementation of the laws of the game while teams are looking for a bit more laws in the "context" of the game.

[littleman]

mario your missing the point here man,if ya want to come on an say the ref display wasnt good enough or he was bang out of order the you are entitled to it.But by mentioning the actual ref by name makes it personal.

They have there meetings every week an you would be a fool to think that their is'nt some little click amoungst them that are only too well aware of this site an indeed who most of us are. An thats why a few of us avoid (a) naming a ref an (b) slating him a bit OTT

A few of your recent posts have mentioned that your centerhalfs were caught out or ye havnt scored as many as ye should.Maybe it might be a good thing to tell the players ye think ye need them to raise their game because overall the displays ,attacking an defensively wise are not good enough.I watch ye train week in week out an ye always have the bones of 20 odd players.So their should be no excuse to change things around if ye feel the displays are not up to scratch by some players.If ur serious about winning the league an capping off a good season then ye need to get a bit more ruthless .Have a look at the times before xmas an see whats gone wrong or whats changed from then to now.Might be someting simple is all thats needs putin right.



Tis only a bit off advice Mario an ya dont have to take it.

[super_mario]

Never in any of my posts did i mention the refs name.

And of course i take your advice your manager of a premier team and a bloody good one at that so you obviously know your fooyball fella

[Radiostar]

Streetscene we will take any tips your willing to give, you surely have no worries about us! So be a sport and tell all!!

[fruice]

i understand what ye all are saying but if you refer to a specfic game its not that hard to work out who the ref was. but i do agree they should be accountable for there actions if they are poor on a constant basis they are after all geting a quite considerable fee. here is just two classic moments refing decisions 1) this is a quote "its not a penalty it was only a clash of legs"
2) playing grattan a good couple of years ago the grattan forward goes around our kepper one of our players rushs back on the line the grattan forward shoots our player touches the ball on to the bar as plain as day with his hand the ref points for a corner. you cant beat it

[shetland]

Huge win for us down in mitchelstown on sat and one that moves us into 4th in the table... park will probably feel aggrieved not to have taken a point as they had a lot of possesion but never really ceated much... we scored early and really defended well after that which was really pleasing... very hard place to go down to and come away with the points so we were delighted...only dissapointment was the pitch down there... they played the game on there 2nd pitch which has a huge hill on it and is very hard to play football on so it makes the result all the more pleasing for us....
im not going to get involved in this champs and chumps thing cant help feeling it will lead to some serious fall out soon...its all very well until your team gets murdered here as some pople just cant take criticism of there own team..fair play to mario for taking it on the chin i hope everyone else will when there turn comes.. and well done again to leeside great result...
as regards the refs my own opinion is its not going to help anyones cause slating anyone here as there is a lot more people read this forum than there is post and that includes refs so you wont do your team any favours... regardless of them being good or bad we cant play without them so best just to get on with it...i think the aul could come up with some system where the each ref gets graded by all the teams in his section at the end of season and if there was a name cropping up a lot then they could deal with it in some form....
Shetland im sure at this stage now ye dont need many tips on us....

streetscene i wasnt the person who enquired about yee at all.think that was radiostar.last time i saw yee play was aoh cup final last year.

[littleman]

My apoligies Mario but I thought it was you who made reference to the particular man in the middle.

In a perfect world the Aul an refs accessors would form some kind of sub commitee along with a cross section of Aul managers an an review how refs are going across the divisions during the season,,,,,,,,but clubs an teams should also be open to positive or negitive feedback from the same commitee,,,wether a club or team is warned on a more frequent basis if their disicipline is droping ect,,,it has to go both ways cause the men in the middle are only half the problem.

But thats me living in a perfect world aint it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[the ghost]

on the referees topic it is a tough one to call. if a referee inspector goes to a premier game and has seen the referee had a poor game and maybe not for the first time what does he do with him?? send him down the leagues?? it would be unfair to the lower teams who like Marios club put in alot of effort in training and match day who have to put up with a referee who to be fair isnt out to do any one but just isnt up to 1) speed of the game 2) sometimes the rules and 3) how to deal with people and 4) plain common sense . you'll know the best referees in the leagues have the before mentioned and have probably played football himself. one of the best referees in the league in my opinion has played junior for Ireland if im correct?? another referee who i think very poor never played football and is a GAA man. so is it the money?? lads u have to say it is a soft touch! IF u keep the game simple, keep up with the game and use your head. a referee who isnt trying to be the centre of attention shouting the likes of ''player over here now!!'' rather than a quick word of warning in the ear will have absolutely no complaints either side of the pitch and will leave the players decide the result. do they have to do courses every season? would like to know how hard (or should i say easy) is it to become a referee??

[the ghost]

MARIO would have to agree with you regards the champs/chumps in reference to littlesmans team before christmas to few chump results to be fair but having said that looking at some of the players they have up in norrieland and as LITTLMAN says himself theyve turned the corner i think theyll have alot of champ results to pick up in the coming months and i think there a very good bet for the league!! STREETSCENE do u think it was tactical to play on the poorer pitch?? ive seen the street play and they play good football.