QuoteBiggest surprises in there are Drogheda and, of course, Shelbourne.
In to-days staR
Shelbourne 2,200,000
Bohememians 1,800,000
CORKCITY 1,200,000
Drog 1,100,000
st pats 950,000
shamrock rovers 850,000
longford town 775,000
derry city 750,000
waterford 600,000
bray 525,000
ucd 400,000
finnharps 375,000
total 11,525,000
Biggest surprises in there are Drogheda and, of course, Shelbourne.
i wouldn't call shels a surprise- they make a fortune from off-field stuff. What this does highlight is how far City have to go in terms of revenue that isn't from gate receipts- we have much bigger crowds than all these other clubs, but they have bars etc that really help outOriginally Posted by jimhacker
look at Rovers....the state they are in they are pretty high up
lads there is a big difference between turnover and profit just because clubs have a high turnover dose not mean they have a big profits
e.g rovers probably have a high turnover because of having to rent a ground
save the sheep shaggers bring back beheadings for waherford
Too true, shels are something like €700,000 in debt from this year alone. I think the big surprises are Derry and Longford who run thier clubs at nearly half our turnover. Theres some difference between City and Shels though.
As I say, we're just young & a bit nieve.
show just how much they generate even with a lack of gates. we need to sort ourselves off the park big time
Where did you get that figure from?shels are something like €700,000 in debt from this year alone
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To be honest, I'm even more surprised that we're bigger than Harps (and all the First Division bar Galway and Dundalk)!
Killkenny and Limerick are making by on budgets of E80k a year - actually incredible how they field a team on that amount! Monaghan are pulling in E350k from somewhere! That bar must be doing great business!
How does the 'STAR' come up with those figures??
Are they from some public records or have they obtained these from the clubs?
Im surprised that some clubs even have this information
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The Clubs had to record gate receipts and attendance figures this season as well as have audited accounts and make these available to the league in order to comply with the UEFA Licencing regulations this past season.How does the 'STAR' come up with those figures??
Are they from some public records or have they obtained these from the clubs?
Im surprised that some clubs even have this information
Official attendance figures revealed that there was a marked down turn in attendances in July and August this past season. Summer season 2004 has indicated that the switch to summer soccer has been a mixed blessing.
To be honest, I'm even more surprised that we're bigger than Harps (and all the First Division bar Galway and Dundalk)!
Killkenny and Limerick are making by on budgets of E80k a year - actually incredible how they field a team on that amount! Monaghan are pulling in E350k from somewhere! That bar must be doing great business!
I would estimate Ramblers turnover to be close to the 500k mark, that may seem like an inflated estimate but that's only because of the revenue generated by their clubhouse.
''and I for one welcome our new insect overlords''
does anyone know did city break even this year or how did they do?
Life isn't all beer and football...some of us haven't touched a football in months
UEFA Licencing requires all clubs to submit annual audited accounts now - thta's possibly where they're getting them from. It doesn't say, though, if the likes of Monaghan's E350k turnover includes the nett or gross income from the bar (i.e. if it counts the bar's profit or all the bar's income, from which wages, etc. would have to be deducted, which would mean the football team operates on far less than E350k). Some of the figures are down as estimates, which could mean that the clubs didn't/haven't yet supplied accounts - which would appear to mean that they're contravening licencing (unless of course, the figures are coming from some other source). And of course, as exile pointed out, turnover and profit are very different things...
For the record, the full info given was -
Club............Turnover; (Full-time players, full-time admin and coaching staff)
PREMIER 2004
Shels...........2.2m (21, 10)
Bohs...........1.8m (18, 10)
Cork............1.2m (16, 3)
Drogs..........1.1m (13, 6)
Pat's...........950k (17, 12)
Rovers........850k (7, 3)
Longford......775k (4, 0)
Derry..........750k (10, 4)
Waterford....600k (6, 4)
Dublin C.......450k est (3, 1)
FIRST 2004
Dundalk.......530k (1, 3)
Bray............525k (2, 2)
Galway........440k (0, 0)
UCD............400k (0, 1)
Harps..........375k (0, 0)
Monaghan....350k (0, 0)
Sligo...........310k (0, 3) (sounds very inefficient?)
Cobh..........300k est (0, 1)
Kildare........300k est (0, 0)
Athlone.......250k (0, 0)
Kilkenny.......80k (0, 0)
Limerick.......80k est (0, 0)
Would this be better in the eL general section?
Edit - just read CTID's explanation of the UEFA Licencing and audited accounts...same as mine...apologies!
Last edited by pineapple stu; 27/12/2004 at 8:15 PM.
SPA have more fulltime players than City and Drogs?
and 12 Admin staff?
SPA are being run more badly than Rovers....
Diarmuid McNally our commercial manager/administrator would be the only full-timer at the club at the moment.
Great minds etcEdit - just read CTID's explanation of the UEFA Licencing and audited accounts...same as mine...apologies!
It doesnt matter how many full time players you have really
What matters is the amount they are being paid. Thats a better judge of their value.
You could have the the best players in the league on part time contracs and be paying a fortune. Or you could have the 22 worst players in the league on Full Time contracts for feck all.
SPA would be far better off getting higher quality part time players for the extra money they are using to pay the average players on full time..
They would be better off spending the little money they have on the likes of andy myler and so on,,
Unless you have the money of shels cork drogheda or bohs then you would be better to stick part time, sort of like drogheda last season...
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who are city's three full time coaching/technical staff?
dolan, obviously. Gunther? barbara in the office?
Whatever it was I am sure it was better than my plan to get out of this by pretending to be mad. I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?
at the time city's 3 were. Pat Dolan (team manager), Barbara Sweeney (Office) & John Crowley (Commercial Manager)
all other positions within the club are on a part-time basis
Strange that Longford Town are listed as having no full time staff at all. Is that a typo, or does the club get outstanding value for their part time manager?
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